Russian invasion of Ukraine

Back in the 70's i used to get up at 5am for my paper round, it was my job to get the coal fire going before i left.
One morning i couldn't find any matches in the front room so decided to light a newspaper on the stove instead and carry through to the front room, Indiana Jones style.
Lit the paper and when i was halfway to the front room it went up like a fucking olympic torch. Too far from the living room to run to the fire, too far away from the kitchen sink, i decided to throw it in the only bin in the house....a whicker basket.
The basket caught fire, the carpet caught fire, fucking nightmare for a 10 year old kid.
All i can remember is my Dad appearing through the smoke & stomping down the stairs yelling " jesus fucking christ" and then throwing buckets of water to put the fire out.
I was never alllowed near the fire after that, funnily enough.
They treated me like a fucking arsonist for months after that, hiding matches etc haha
 
KS55 said:
You may be right, but we'll just have to get used to it.
I was brought up in the 50s when everybody but the well off had to make the choice between heating and eating. The bedroom I shared with my bro was like a fridge, frost on the inside in winter.. We had a coal fire in the front room which was not lit until teatime and which was our total heating system. This was commonplace. And the food was awful.
We have all gone soft.
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Same for me bud. We had no inside toilet or bathroom. Bath time was on a Sunday in a metal tub in front of the fire. Being the youngest of three, I was last to go in, so prob came out dirtier than going in.

Food was scarce as parents were skint, but we got by
 
blue b4 the moon said:
This would tend to fall in with the theory that after 15 days the russians will be fucked, repel this wave and the tide will hopefully start to turn....currently 13 days.

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They’ve committed 100 percent of the forces they had on the boarder. What happens if this turns into a long drawn out conflict lasting for years at the same time being dry bummed with sanctions. Their military could end up down to the bare bones, NATO should try some top shithousery after that and roll the tanks to Moscow and liberate them.
 
paulchapo said:
It wasn't just the fifties. In the sixties as a kid we lived in the old terraced houses in Hulme.Outside toilet, freezing cold. Coal fire in the living room, no bathroom it was a sink in the kitchen and a tin bath in the living room. In a bout of prolonged rain once the ceiling collapsed on me while I was in bed.

Moved to Wythenshawe still freezing, frost on the inside of bedroom windows, no central heating. My dad got up at 5am for work and used to light the calor gas heater on the stairs on the landing to try and warm the bathroom and bedrooms up before we got up. The good old days.
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With energy prices now it may be a return to that, my DD has gone from £110 to £230 in one fell swoop, come October it could be closer to £300!
 
here we go, if Russia cut off Europe's gas, how much longer will people stand in solidarity with Ukraine? how long before supporting them becomes too expensive and we become a bit cold and cant afford a few pints on the weekend? if cost of living truly does become very very bad, then we'll begin to see just how much European governments support them.
 
paulchapo said:
It wasn't just the fifties. In the sixties as a kid we lived in the old terraced houses in Hulme.Outside toilet, freezing cold. Coal fire in the living room, no bathroom it was a sink in the kitchen and a tin bath in the living room. In a bout of prolonged rain once the ceiling collapsed on me while I was in bed.

Moved to Wythenshawe still freezing, frost on the inside of bedroom windows, no central heating. My dad got up at 5am for work and used to light the calor gas heater on the stairs on the landing to try and warm the bathroom and bedrooms up before we got up. The good old days.
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Luxury
 
Blue Maverick said:
With energy prices now it may be a return to that, my DD has gone from £110 to £230 in one fell swoop, come October it could be closer to £300!
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Yes I've had the dreaded e mail too. It's ridiculous the government's isn't doing more to alleviate this. A windfall tax on the obscene profits made by the energy companies and cutting vat would help.
 
shemnel said:
here we go, if Russia cut off Europe's gas, how much longer will people stand in solidarity with Ukraine? how long before supporting them becomes too expensive and we become a bit cold and cant afford a few pints on the weekend? if cost of living truly does become very very bad, then we'll begin to see just how much European governments support them.
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I stand in solidarity with Ukraine till they win, gas or no gas.
 
paulchapo said:
Yes I've had the dreaded e mail too. It's ridiculous the government's isn't doing more to alleviate this. A windfall tax on the obscene profits made by the energy companies and cutting vat would help.
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Tbf, the energy companies operate on modest margins. That's why several went bust when wholesale prices rose sharply. Size of profits in the big companies down to volume.
 
So I’m 48 hrs he’s gone from “I’ll nuke the planet to the Stone Age” to “I’ll jack up gas prices in Germany a bit”.

And if he does cut off the supply to Europe who’s he going to sell it to? His own citizens will be fucking broke and unable to pay anyway.

He’s seen his arse.
 
bluemoon32 said:
Back in the 70's i used to get up at 5am for my paper round, it was my job to get the coal fire going before i left.
One morning i couldn't find any matches in the front room so decided to light a newspaper on the stove instead and carry through to the front room, Indiana Jones style.
Lit the paper and when i was halfway to the front room it went up like a fucking olympic torch. Too far from the living room to run to the fire, too far away from the kitchen sink, i decided to throw it in the only bin in the house....a whicker basket.
The basket caught fire, the carpet caught fire, fucking nightmare for a 10 year old kid.
All i can remember is my Dad appearing through the smoke & stomping down the stairs yelling " jesus fucking christ" and then throwing buckets of water to put the fire out.
I was never alllowed near the fire after that, funnily enough.
They treated me like a fucking arsonist for months after that, hiding matches etc haha
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Some kids will do anything to get out of doing a job ;-)
 
OnlyOneUweRosler said:
This could lead to nuclear war. NATO is there to protect its members, and Russia will never attack NATO members for the reason it would result in retaliation. By contrast, Ukraine is not in NATO. Is Ukraine worth nuclear war? Is NATO now expected to fight potential nuclear wars on behalf of non-members?
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Which is why we're doing what we are doing.
If Russia escalates then we will escalate.
 
Marklr said:
This really IS like something out of a superhero/James Bond movie. Big bad Putin holding the world to ransom unless he gets to own half of it. "You expect us to talk, Mr Putin?" "NO...I expect you all to die!!" Sat there stroking a cat that looks like Boris's head.
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What a far fetched scenario ffs
I’ve yet to see a cat as ugly as Boris’s head.
 
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