Liverpool (H) | Post match thread

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

A few have claimed that the previous frame I posted showing the options available to Riyad for the potential game-winning chance at the end of the match was misleading, and that he couldn’t actually make the pass to Foden or sweep it in to the far post.

So here is a frame from *just* before he sends it in the stands with lines for what he did (red) and what he could have done (yellow).

I am not sure how anyone could argue that playing Foden is was not the easy of the two options, and mostly certainly an all but certain game winner.

Suppose he has a split second to make a decision and he made the wrong one. Allison looks like he got his decision right there. He played well yesterday.

 

[madloaf]

A few have claimed that the previous frame I posted showing the options available to Riyad for the potential game-winning chance at the end of the match was misleading, and that he couldn’t actually make the pass to Foden or sweep it in to the far post.

So here is a frame from *just* before he sends it in the stands with lines for what he did (red) and what he could have done (yellow).

I am not sure how anyone could argue that playing Foden is was not the easy of the two options, and mostly certainly an all but certain game winner.

Foden gets not passed to religiously in the box and the only person who looks up and picks an actual player out (not a space) is Grealish (when given the chance). Its possible we'll train that out of him but I hope not. Or maybe we're just missing a striker.

 

[Superace]

A few have claimed that the previous frame I posted showing the options available to Riyad for the potential game-winning chance at the end of the match was misleading, and that he couldn’t actually make the pass to Foden or sweep it in to the far post.

So here is a frame from *just* before he sends it in the stands with lines for what he did (red) and what he could have done (yellow).

I am not sure how anyone could argue that playing Foden is was not the easy of the two options, and mostly certainly an all but certain game winner.

It's very easy to freeze frame and pick out easier options but at full speed Mahrze could not be sure foden is onside, it wast a clear cut pass for me, I think the pass or shoot choice was 50/50. I think the mistake was trying to lift the ball, he should of tried to curl it nto the left corner

 

[Chris in London]

the second pic is defintely before the first pic as his leg is still bent before he follows through in kicking the ball.....the question is how do you time a pass...the moment KDB's foot makes contact or the moment the ball comes awaw from KDB's foot....for me its the latter...the pass hasnt been played till after it leaves the players foot...but i can understand how others might disagree on that.

The other issue is the parts of the body for me with which they use to judge offside..I knoe you can technically score with your chest/torso and head as well as obviously with any part of the leg BUT for me offside should be judged on the players feet and no where else....

FIFA said its the point the foot first makes contact with the ball

 

[SebastianBlue]

It's very easy to freeze frame and pick out easier options but at full speed Mahrze could not be sure foden is onside, it wast a clear cut pass for me, I think the pass or shoot choice was 50/50. I think the mistake was trying to lift the ball, he should of tried to curl it nto the left corner

That’s fine, but I still argue he choose the most difficult finish available to him in that moment.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Suppose he has a split second to make a decision and he made the wrong one. Allison looks like he got his decision right there. He played well yesterday.

I don’t disagree, my point is that he made the wrong decision by ignoring the easier and much higher chance play in that moment, which would have won the game.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

It is expected goals. Basically they calculate how many chances you create, and the likelihood you'd score them based on the averages of players scoring from similar positions. So if you get a penalty you get a score of 0.8. Its not a perfect stat, but if a team scores an XG of 4.1 but only wins 1-0 you get a sense of how one sided the game was even if the team didn't score loads.

Thanks for the explanation - but seems meaningless.

 

[ancoats]

I’m not one to blindly defend Sterling, but didn’t Allison save it with the tip of his left foot ?

you are right it was a save not a miss ? but a world class striker smashes it into the net just ask mane

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

you are right it was a save not a miss ? but a world class striker smashes it into the net just ask mane

We scored very shortly after so wasn’t too costly. Could have been though.

 

[swintonjamie]

Thanks for the explanation - but seems meaningless.

I like it as a stat….for example Trent trying a wonder goal would go as a shot on target but this helps provide a bit more context as to realistically whether it was a chance. It’s subjective obviously but I think in general gives a better indication of chances for a team.

 

[chedinho]

Ederson kicking into alissons arms straight from the kick off was the catylust for that goal. I'm amazed nobody else has brought it up.

I wondered what he was trying to achieve launching it long like that.
i always dread him kicking it long without any purpose.
he did it against palace a few years back. Which resulted in them grabbing a winner late on.
we should have defended better afterwards but it was a cheap giveaway

 

[Impeccable One]

you are right it was a save not a miss ? but a world class striker smashes it into the net just ask mane

I think I’m giving Allison 49% credit for the save (leg extended in the opposite direction of his movement) and Sterling 51% responsibility for the miss [emoji16]

 

[cibaman]

I wondered what he was trying to achieve launching it long like that.
i always dread him kicking it long without any purpose.
he did it against palace a few years back. Which resulted in them grabbing a winner late on.
we should have defended better afterwards but it was a cheap giveaway

Ederson must have the lowest percentage of kicking it long without any purpose of any gk I’ve ever seen.

 

[ancoats]

I think I’m giving Allison 49% credit for the save (leg extended in the opposite direction of his movement) and Sterling 51% responsibility for the miss [emoji16]

with kane or haaland its more like 75% to them scoring to 25% the keeper saving it

 

[ancoats]

We scored very shortly after so wasn’t too costly. Could have been though.

we could have been 2 up and flying. but like the other post said you have to give some credit to the keeper
but i still feel a kane or haaland score that

 

[chedinho]

Ederson must have the lowest percentage of kicking it long without any purpose of any gk I’ve ever seen.

That is true. Which makes it more bizarre.
It was the catalyst. The first mistake that lead to more mistakes.
we weren’t set defensively afterwards unfortunately.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

we could have been 2 up and flying. but like the other post said you have to give some credit to the keeper
but i still feel a kane or haaland score that

Yeah I don’t think the goal we scored would have happened if Sterling had scored though. I think it was virtually the same passage of play wasn’t it?

it’s the story of our season. However, would we have played as well with a striker? I have no idea.

 

[Southern KK]

Think it’s time for the club to let everyone know they’ve introduced a system of analytical cameras (nudge nudge) which will pick up on these tight offside calls.
Also, why is spider cam never used? Surely that system would help with tight calls

I've always thought that this would be the best camera to use if it was dead centre of the pitch. Using a camera that is not in line with the "offside" line, to me, introduces a margin for error. In the images the lines are in line with the pitch lines mowing lines but how accurate are they? He was onside in my eyes bast on the earlier frame.

 

[Legal Alien]

I don’t disagree, my point is that he made the wrong decision by ignoring the easier and much higher chance play in that moment, which would have won the game.

If you watch a reply he takes a bad touch which puts the ball behind him so he has to adjust and is not quite at the right angle for the perfect shot or pass.
His lob did get deflected over too which may have made a difference.

 

[Platt Lane 59]

Our tactics in this match were as far removed from how we normally play as Pep has ever produced during his time at City. If anything, we played more like how Liverpool usually play. What’s interesting then is the “Pep overthinks the big games” crowd are nowhere to be seen. Remember games such as this one when those comments next crop up. We played very well with unusual tactics (for us), but because it wasn’t a bad performance, or a loss, nobody considers the fact Pep didn’t say “do what you usually do lads” to get that performance. Let him do his thing, in other words.

Klopp mentioned in his post match interview that we played more "direct" than Liverpool.
It definitely worked regarding creating chances, but unfortunately (as with the Mahrez chance) only scored twice.
Our patient build up play from the back, was sometimes frustrating to watch, but it seemed to make Liverpool press us higher up the pitch, which allowed the longer ball.
Hopefully, other teams, especially Spurs, play a similar way, against Liverpool.
They are really not as good defensively, as the media make them out to be...