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SWP's back said:
Surely not. Surely the former gang banging drug pusher is better versed and has a far better grasp of life and the realities of politics than half a dozen successful professionals who are always diametrically opposed to his views and vice versa.

Seeing as I only ever see his posts when a) someone quotes him combined with b) I’m particularly bored and want to amuse myself, his trolling would be much less effective if people simply stopped interacting with him. There’s not a chance he’s debating in good faith as you say.
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Are you STILL hiding behind the 'ignore' button, Fat Golfer?

I know you'll see this as you can't help yourself. You can 'pretend' to the whole board you haven't seen this, but your ego is as huge as your desire to be a tough nut to 'slap' people, you shithouse.

Still nothing in my DM...
 
Dax777 said:
Lol. This is absurd

Nope they don't believe that.


Nope. No one believes that.


Yes. Some believe this. Especially when evidence sometimes show a flimsy correlation between some of those mandates and positive outcomes.

Mask mandates after vaccination... Anyone explain this please????


Popular vote is irrelevant to deciding the American Presidential election. Let me repeat that again: Popular vote is irrelevant to deciding the American Presidential elections!

There are legitimate reasons for this. And even if there weren't. It's not as if the rules got sprung on any candidates after the fact. Everyone knows the rules going in.

People who make this silly point ( Mostly bretherens from across the pond) have no idea how silly they sound. Let me help:

You sound like someone who complains that his team should be awarded victory because they create more chances than the opposition. Even if the opposition scored more goals.

That is how silly it sounds. The goal of football is to score the most goals. It's irrelevant who created the most chances.

Similarly,the goal of the American Presidential election is to win the most electoral seats. That's the goal! Not the most people votes.That would be the equivalent of having the most possession or most chances created. Irrelevant as far as winning is concerned.

Hope that helps clear things up for all Eternity.


Do you have something against Islam? You think a man or woman shouldn't be able to get on their knees and bow to face Mecca at Sunset? What do you have against Islamic call to prayer exactly?

Oh wait! It's Christianity that you were attempting to flex on. This is typical virtue signaling.


Yes. You've always had that right. And if you doubt that we can test it out now. I'm in serious need. Do you mind sending me 1000 pounds? Let me know where to send my a/c info. Or perhaps you have the right to refuse?

Government on the other hand are shitty at helping. And it by and large becomes an opportunity for corrupt Ill begotten gains. Have you not been reading about the PPP loans and all the scams that came with it?


Yes. Not unfettered. But within the already prescribed limits.

But the real issue here is about power.

Who gets to decide what speech is to the detriment of society? You? The newly formed Ministry of Disinformation in the Biden Orwellian nightmare? Me? Foggy. Dumb SWP?

Pray tell, was the Hunter Biden disinformation free of factual content? How about the lab leak theory? Both were basis for bans and suspension on Social media in the very near past. Today, they are deemed factual.

The reason why Free Speech is necessary, is because we often cannot pre determine which speech is true, right or for the betterment of humanity.

You have to think these things beyond slogans.


Yes, you should not have a right to abortion, just like you should not have a right to kill another person.

Yes, there are circumstances where that right will be yours. In self defense, you can kill another. To preserve your life, you may end that of another.

But that right should be constrained by circumstance. To suggest otherwise is barbaric and frankly, well... Toxic!
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I'd contest your response point by point but that would be a waste of time.

So let's focus on abortion.

I'll list a few cases where I think that abortion should be allowed. For each case state whether or not you too would support abortion. Assume that the date for whether or not to allow abortion is 23 weeks following conception, but feel free to state that you would allow abortion at an earlier date but not at 23 weeks.

1. Rape;
2. Incest;
3. Economically unable to support the child;
4. Twins (or more fetuses), unlikely to come to term unless one or more are aborted;
5. Birth defect;
6. Mother has medical condition. Proceeding would endanger the woman's life;
7. Teenage mother;
8. Contraceptives failed;
9. Decided that this was not the time to have a child;

Edit... Out of curiosity, where do you get your news? What outlets do you trust - or more to the point, which shows do you trust?
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
There is hope…

Intelligent, well-spoken, military veteran, husband, father, Cabinet Secretary, and the person I voted for in the Illinois Dem Primary!



Imagine a Presidential Debate between Buttigieg and DeSantis?!
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He is all those things you've mentioned. But the one thing he isn't though is honest. Certainly, not in that speech.

A debate with Desantis would be great. He is probably the best bet Democrats have for 2024.

Perhaps we'd have 2 viable options for the first time in 3 attempts.

Looking forward to it.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
There is hope…

Intelligent, well-spoken, military veteran, husband, father, Cabinet Secretary, and the person I voted for in the Illinois Dem Primary!



Imagine a Presidential Debate between Buttigieg and DeSantis?!
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Much preferred Pete over Joe - but Joe, to my mind, is doing quite well (the Afghanistan withdrawal was a disaster) given the hand he's been delt. Trouble is... Biden isn't particularly charismatic - and his accomplishments and vision for the party are not adequately articulated and disseminated.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Much preferred Pete over Joe - but Joe, to my mind, is doing quite well (the Afghanistan withdrawal was a disaster) given the hand he's been delt. Trouble is... Biden isn't particularly charismatic - and his accomplishments and vision for the party are not adequately articulated and disseminated.
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Sadly in 2022, it’s not what a President achieves that matters, it’s generally how it’s messaged and the Dems are terrible at that.
 
SWP's back said:
Sadly in 2022, it’s not what a President achieves that matters, it’s generally how it’s messaged and the Dems are terrible at that.
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Agree. But a perhaps more important factor is that most right-leaning outlets have given up on journalism entirely. Fox News and their ilk are more-or-less Trump propaganda machines. "News" lines coming from the Right media are entirely driven by politics. State run media in Russia, China, North Korea and any other totalitarian regimes bear an ever more eerily similar resemblance to conservative media in the USA. Outlandish claims are made, and then are hammered home, until viewers of such media are brainwashed into believing the false narrative.

Against this.. even John F. Kennedy would struggle.
 
@Dax777
I can't resist...

I said:
The Right believes that, I have the right to arm myself with automatic weapons and to brandish such weapons in public.

You said:
Nope they don't believe that.

Really, Dax? Honestly I'm befuddled. Point to some sort of popular Fox News opinion piece opposing the right to bear and brandish automatic weapons in public. 'cause honestly, I don't think that there are any.

There's zero - nada - zip - pushback on any sort of gun regulation from the right. Maybe the right opposes guns in the hands of 3-time convicted serial killers... or somesuch - but that's it. Anything else - including the right to brandish automatic weapons in public - are part-and-parcel of the Right's belief system.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I'd contest your response point by point but that would be a waste of time.

So let's focus on abortion.

I'll list a few cases where I think that abortion should be allowed. For each case state whether or not you too would support abortion. Assume that the date for whether or not to allow abortion is 23 weeks following conception, but feel free to state that you would allow abortion at an earlier date but not at 23 weeks.

1. Rape;
2. Incest;
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
3. Economically unable to support the child;
4. Twins (or more fetuses), unlikely to come to term unless one or more are aborted;
5. Birth defect;
6. Mother has medical condition. Proceeding would endanger the woman's life;
7. Teenage mother;
8. Contraceptives failed;
9. Decided that this was not the time to have a child;
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I agree with those who think abortion is an issue about dueling rights. That of the mother to her bodily autonomy vs that of the unborn child's right to survival.

I agree that a balancing of those rights makes the most sense. Generally, the right of the woman predominates earlier on in the pregnancy cycle. Partly as a function of nature of the feutus early on in the Pregnancy. But as the Feutus grow and becomes more stable, the feutus rights also grows and begins to put limits on the unfettered rights of the mother had l\to extinguish it.

To that effect, laws that strike a balance between those rights strikes me as the best compromise.

As it relates to when the rights of the feutus begins to limit those of the mom, there are 3 general theories: Heartbeat, Sensation, and Viability.`•

I think there are legitimate arguments for an against all 3 periods.

That aside, the right of the feutus to continue growing is also further limited by the superior right of the Mother's to her health and survival.


The above framework underpins the the arguments I find most convincing.
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As such, I don't find arguments about "a woman's unabridged rights any more convincing than a life at conception argument.


.Out of curiosity, where do you get your news? What outlets do you trust - or more to the point, which shows do you trust?

For general news coverage, I enjoy watching Rising. It's an online News and Opinion show. They give what I believe is the most balanced view on most issues.


That said, I watch clips of the Reid Out, Chris Hayes, Tucker Carlson, Ingram, Ben Nader, TYT, Bret Weinstein, Nate the Lawyer, Bryan Tyler Cohen, Don't Walk Run, Trevor Noah, Bill Maher, Micheal Knowles, Reason TV, Sam Harris, Larry Elder etc

So I get a good enough picture of most topics I find interesting.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Much preferred Pete over Joe - but Joe, to my mind, is doing quite well (the Afghanistan withdrawal was a disaster) given the hand he's been delt. Trouble is... Biden isn't particularly charismatic - and his accomplishments and vision for the party are not adequately articulated and disseminated.
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What is he doing quite well?
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
@Dax777
I can't resist...

I said:
The Right believes that, I have the right to arm myself with automatic weapons and to brandish such weapons in public.
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I was decrying your poor understanding of the constitutional right 'to bear arms.'

BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
You said:
Nope they don't believe that.

Really, Dax? Honestly I'm befuddled. Point to some sort of popular Fox News opinion piece opposing the right to bear and brandish automatic weapons in public. 'cause honestly, I don't think that there are any.
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Why would or should there be?

BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
There's zero - nada - zip - pushback on any sort of gun regulation from the right. Maybe the right opposes guns in the hands of 3-time convicted serial killers... or somesuch - but that's it. Anything else - including the right to brandish automatic weapons in public - are part-and-parcel of the Right's belief system.
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What would be the basis of such a regulation?
 
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