A question mate as you seem to know your onions. A lots said about the the co op being a much better venue than Mcr arena. But isn’t the arena part of a chain of arenas in uk that could block book artists and force them out of playing our venue?That’s not really true at all. Artists generally really do care a lot.
The big promoters try and get away with as little expenditure as they can to maximise profits.
It’s perfectly possible to get an arena to sound great, but it means the promoter hiring the appropriate PA system. Which is a big cost - so things are almost always trimmed down, at the detriment to the sound. Even acoustically close to perfect rooms like the Bridgewater Hall can sound shit if the right system isn’t used.
Big venues are often dry hires - just a big empty box, and the promoter has to sort the PA, lighting, etc.
(I do this for a living)
Thanks for the insight :)That’s not really true at all. Artists generally really do care a lot.
The big promoters try and get away with as little expenditure as they can to maximise profits.
It’s perfectly possible to get an arena to sound great, but it means the promoter hiring the appropriate PA system. Which is a big cost - so things are almost always trimmed down, at the detriment to the sound. Even acoustically close to perfect rooms like the Bridgewater Hall can sound shit if the right system isn’t used.
Big venues are often dry hires - just a big empty box, and the promoter has to sort the PA, lighting, etc.
(I do this for a living)
Thanks for the insight :)
When you say do this for a living, do you mean promotion, working with promoters on venue hire, or kit the venues out with sound & lighting?
Only sells Mars Bars mate :)Sells confectionary from a kiosk. -:)
Sorry, in reality I have enjoyed reading the insight.
The Who do. Remember watching them at the King's Hall Belle Vue. Daltrey was slagging it off and recommended the council being pressured to build something decent regarding sound and size.So very true and not many musical artists worry about sound acoustics, money is No 1.
Nature of the beast I'm afraid. They can't employ enough full time staff to cover the lines (say) 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year when the incoming calls are very much up and down. ST renewal time will be extremely busy and so they have to farm some of the capacity out to call centres around the country. They'll get minimal training and I know a local call centre that got a contract for the NHS track & trace, that are now being pursued for some of the money back as they fudged the figures.They could do worse than have local people to man phones most of whom could be fans themselves and have good knowledge of what they are dealing with and a bit more empathy I’d say
So very true and not many musical artists worry about sound acoustics, money is No 1.
She needs all the help she can get ;-)I'm not sure Adele in Vegas will agree with you mate ;)
Yep - was there for the Queen concert last week, Facilities awful, concourse awful, seats very uncomfortable and the acoustics really are shit - half ruined what was otherwise a great show.Nice of them to be arsed making some improvements after decades of doing nothing.
And I thought their smear campaign against the Co-op was based on how Manchester couldn’t possibly sustain 2 x venues - yet here they are investing 50m !!!
There is nothing £50m will do to make it anywhere near a patch on the Co-op.
The Co-op will be better in every way imaginable. The AO seem to think making the capacity a few hundred more than the Co-op is the important thing. The reality is there will be a purpose built music venue versus an out of date sports arena with shit facilities and shit acoustics.
I was talking about musical artists ;;)I'm not sure Adele in Vegas will agree with you mate ;)
Agents represent artists and have relationships with particular promoters. Promoters have their preferred venues (but often diary availability and having to line this up between artist and venue..).A question mate as you seem to know your onions. A lots said about the the co op being a much better venue than Mcr arena. But isn’t the arena part of a chain of arenas in uk that could block book artists and force them out of playing our venue?
Yeah I kind of meant promoters when I said artists. ASM Global certainly have a lot of venues under their wing that’s for sure. They seem a sort of city football group of entertainment venue! If I were them I’d be doing deals to cut of co op live that’s for sure. Block book u2 to play their 3 or 4 biggest uk venues at a bigger cut if they leave out co op live from the tour type of thing. I wonder if silverlake and adug have any plans to expand joint ventures in other locations, in particular Cfg locations, melbourne, New York etc…..Agents represent artists and have relationships with particular promoters. Promoters have their preferred venues (but often diary availability and having to line this up between artist and venue..).
Venues in and of themselves have fuck all control over blocking artists from playing elsewhere.
The biggest player being Live Nation - who are promoters, venue operators (all the 'O2' / Academy group venues in this country) and ticket agents (Ticketmaster).
Their vertical integration is insane.
The Mcr Arena is owned by ASM - American company who own Leeds arena, OVO Wembley, the Hydro in Glasgow, loads of others. They're in the business of hiring out a room to promoters, not getting involved with artists or doing any in-house bookings.
Huge day for transport this Saturday.
60,000 at Etihad for Ed Sheeran
80,000 at Heaton Park got Parklife
50,000 at LCCC for the Killers
15,000 at AO Arena for Alicia Keys
Great bit of planning that is, will be carnage And lots of early leavers!Huge day for transport this Saturday.
60,000 at Etihad for Ed Sheeran
80,000 at Heaton Park got Parklife
50,000 at LCCC for the Killers
15,000 at AO Arena for Alicia Keys
Saw these a while back and wondered if it would steer things arena way.Agents represent artists and have relationships with particular promoters. Promoters have their preferred venues (but often diary availability and having to line this up between artist and venue..).
Venues in and of themselves have fuck all control over blocking artists from playing elsewhere.
The biggest player being Live Nation - who are promoters, venue operators (all the 'O2' / Academy group venues in this country) and ticket agents (Ticketmaster).
Their vertical integration is insane.
The Mcr Arena is owned by ASM - American company who own Leeds arena, OVO Wembley, the Hydro in Glasgow, loads of others. They're in the business of hiring out a room to promoters, not getting involved with artists or doing any in-house bookings.
I'd rather lick dog piss off a stinging nettle than be at any of those venues.Huge day for transport this Saturday.
60,000 at Etihad for Ed Sheeran
80,000 at Heaton Park got Parklife
50,000 at LCCC for the Killers
15,000 at AO Arena for Alicia Keys
Huge day for transport this Saturday.
60,000 at Etihad for Ed Sheeran
80,000 at Heaton Park got Parklife
50,000 at LCCC for the Killers
15,000 at AO Arena for Alicia Keys
Arf.I'd rather lick dog piss off a stinging nettle than be at any of those venues.