It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread

DorisBlue said:
If we “only” have 17 senior outfield players, we will have to give away the league cup and fa cup. 2-3 injuries at the same time and youre already reliant on EDS players for rotation when we’re playing every 3 days. Thats less than this year and we were thin.

The EDS players probably are good enough but relying on them at the start of the season isn’t right for a club with ambitions of winning everything.

2 for every position should be the aim.

FB: Walker, Cancelo, NEW, Zinchenko
CB: Dias, Stones, Laporte, Ake
DM: Rodri, NEW
AM: KDB, Bernardo, Gundo, Foden
Wing: Mahrez, Grealish, Sterling, Palmer
ST: Haaland, Alvarez

Plenty of scope for rotation and injuries.
If Sterling leaves we need a replacement
If Bernardo leaves we need a replacement
If Zin leaves we could probably cope but a shame

The direct comparison youve given is Liverpool. Will believe your numbers of 18/19, but players they had that had less than 5 starts that could have been relied on in a crisis:
Gomez; Minamino; Elliot; Origi
Not world beaters, but definite first team squad players and took cup minutes from first choice to give them a rest.

We had only EDS players. No first team squad players had less than 5 starts.

So really they had a first team squad of 24 (2 per position) and we had 18. They got to latter stages of every comp we didnt.

WE MUST INCREASE OUR SQUAD SIZE IF WE ARE TO COMPETE FOR EVERY TROPHY LIKE WE USED TO
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Or at the very least, not decrease it.

Palmer is already here btw, and has been last season. He is not a new arrival that replaces potential outgoings.
 
samuelyeboah said:
no it wouldn't lmao. before mahrez came to city, he was PFA player of the year, finished 7th in the ballon d'or, had 48 goals and 38 assists for a PL club and won the PL with leicester city.. raphinha has 17 goals and 11 assists for leeds in 2 years in all comps. they aren't even in the same universe
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Why not compare their last two seasons? Mahrez got 20 goals and 11 assists, Raphinha got 17 goals and 12 assists. And Raphinha was playing for a team who almost got relegated and had to play Dan James up front.
 
handsofstone said:
Curious to know who has a bigger squad than us

United maybe? Think that shows how having a full squad of 25 doesn't mean anything, just end up filling the squad with crap

Madrid? But they've let loads of deadwood leave in Bale, Isco, Marcelo etc.

Eddie/Steffan/Carson - Perfect

Dias/Stones/Laporte/Ake - Happy happy joy joy

Walker/Cancelo/Cucurella - so much talent, and that's without considering Zinchenko who may not leave or Ake who has filled in there

Rodri/Phillips - Smashing

KDB/Bernardo/Gundo - Again, quality over quantity, are we going to spend another £60mil for a backup players....no (also what avenue is there for youth like McAtee if we dont)

Foden/Grealish/Mahrez - Quality again, and that's assuming we sell BOTH Sterling and Jesus and bring in NO-ONE

Haaland/Alvarez - wow!!

This obsession with 25 squad players doesn't make any sense to me, would you want to buy someone like Sarr for £30mil for the wings with Palmer on the books?

Should we buy James Ward-Prowse as 4th choice?

What abut the loan army, shall we get a 3rd choice RB when Couto, Kabore or the EDS guys

As per whoscored, looking at players who played more than 450 minutes (5 starts) in their respective elegies

Us - 18 players
Madrid - 18 players
United- 18 players
Liverpool - 19 players
Spurs - 20 (Inc Ali who left) players
Arsenal - 20 players
Chelsea - 21 players
West Ham - 17 (they had Europa commitments too)
PSG - 22 players

Do we really need a full squad of 25 senior players when it's likely that 5 to 7 of then aren't going barely feature?

Even if you consider us selling Jesus Sterling and Zinchenko (with Philllips & Cucurella joining) we still have 17 QUALITY players for 10 outfield positions, and then you have Palmer, McAtee, Lavia, Delap, Kayky, Egan-Riley etc. from the EDS or Rosa, Herrera, Kabore, stevanovic, Couto from the loan army
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5 subs this year...bigger squad allows us to rest players when needed.

Kdb and esp Gundo...both wrong side of 30 and Gundos injury issues are well documented.

You are presuming that Alvarez hits the ground running and likewise Phillips...they could or they could have issues like Grealish

Mahrez and Grealish are hit and miss.

It seems very clear we will lose Jesus and there is definitely something going on with Sterling

Palmer and McAtee are decent but raw. Both hugely talented but it doesn't mean they can definitely make the step up

Keeping Bernardo is essential for our midfield and attack ...it was him.thay stepped up when KDB struggled last year due to injury
 
Gumzy97 said:
Exactly Mendes isn't stupid leao has alot of hype around him right now. That's money. Mendes would be stupid in trying not to get him to move this window especially with the new agent rules next year
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I don't see why AC Milan with new owners and big plans will sell a star player off the back of a title win and CL qualification. If Mendes starts meddling then he risks pissing off a new big bank account he can drain in the next decade.
 
simon23 said:
5 subs this year...bigger squad allows us to rest players when needed.

Kdb and esp Gundo...both wrong side of 30 and Gundos injury issues are well documented.

You are presuming that Alvarez hits the ground running and likewise Phillips...they could or they could have issues like Grealish

Mahrez and Grealish are hit and miss.

It seems very clear we will lose Jesus and there is definitely something going on with Sterling

Palmer and McAtee are decent but raw. Both hugely talented but it doesn't mean they can definitely make the step up

Keeping Bernardo is essential for our midfield and attack ...it was him.thay stepped up when KDB struggled last year due to injury
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We don’t keep players who don’t want to be here, if he wants to leave and a club meets our asking price he will be allowed to leave with our best wishes. The question then becomes who can we sign to ensure his departure doesn’t weaken us, I’m sure the club is on the case but it will need to be one hell of a player.
 
DorisBlue said:
If we “only” have 17 senior outfield players, we will have to give away the league cup and fa cup. 2-3 injuries at the same time and youre already reliant on EDS players for rotation when we’re playing every 3 days. Thats less than this year and we were thin.

The EDS players probably are good enough but relying on them at the start of the season isn’t right for a club with ambitions of winning everything.

2 for every position should be the aim.

FB: Walker, Cancelo, NEW, Zinchenko
CB: Dias, Stones, Laporte, Ake
DM: Rodri, NEW
AM: KDB, Bernardo, Gundo, Foden
Wing: Mahrez, Grealish, Sterling, Palmer
ST: Haaland, Alvarez

Plenty of scope for rotation and injuries.
If Sterling leaves we need a replacement
If Bernardo leaves we need a replacement
If Zin leaves we could probably cope but a shame

The direct comparison youve given is Liverpool. Will believe your numbers of 18/19, but players they had that had less than 5 starts that could have been relied on in a crisis:
Gomez; Minamino; Elliot; Origi
Not world beaters, but definite first team squad players and took cup minutes from first choice to give them a rest.

We had only EDS players. No first team squad players had less than 5 starts.

So really they had a first team squad of 24 (2 per position) and we had 18. They got to latter stages of every comp we didnt.

WE MUST INCREASE OUR SQUAD SIZE IF WE ARE TO COMPETE FOR EVERY TROPHY LIKE WE USED TO
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We are allowed 21 senior players plus Foden Palmer Mcatee and any other academy player. If we don't replace Sterling we'll be going with 20 and thinking that Palmer Mcatee can cover us. Not very different to going with 21and using those players. I don't know which we would do but if the manager thinks we can use Palmer and Mcatee to cover that's fine. In the scheme of things I doubt 1 player will decide whether we compete in the cups or don't.
 
Are fans not learning in Aguero and Kompany situation, they left and club will not immediately replace them due various circumstances. They rather wait a season and wait for the next opportunities.

How can we be so sure that if Gabby and Sterling left we will get their replacement?
 
samuelyeboah said:
no it wouldn't lmao. before mahrez came to city, he was PFA player of the year, finished 7th in the ballon d'or, had 48 goals and 38 assists for a PL club and won the PL with leicester city.. raphinha has 17 goals and 11 assists for leeds in 2 years in all comps. they aren't even in the same universe
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I wasn’t thinking in terms of stats, I’m talking about trajector, both where similarly plucked from obscurity, got their move to the PL and been successful in their own right, one happened to play for a championship winning team the other played in a relegation battle. Therefore the stats trophy & Pfa award quite rightly support Mahrez as the better player (which he is) Raphina has had an excellent start for the Brazilian national team in terms of goals & assists & carried that Leeds team this season, and is still only 25, he is also an incredibly hard worker on the pitch & presses well. I genuinely feel is on a massive upward curve & could produce similar numbers to Mahrez at a big club
 
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