Bernardo Silva

[Dax777]

Honestly think you're spot on with Walker and Rodri in top spot. I think Ed is hugely important but Rodri last year was incredible. The games we played the best were from his positioning starting up movements. Plus key goals and a key stop at Klanfield. Kyle too. Work rate has always been superb and it was noticeable the Madrid fumble was after his departure.

I don't even think Walker is guaranteed to be in the starting 11.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I am saying without Ederson, KDB won't exist like he does in our system. without Ederson helping our buildup, KDB will probably play like Bruno with flashes of brilliance. You seriously underestimate the importance of Ederson and how our team is entirely built upon playing out from the back.

When Pep finished 3rd in his first season with us, he recognised we needed a better keeper to challenge for the title. Not another KDB.

 

[Agueroooo9320]

When Pep finished 3rd in his first season with us, he recognised we needed a better keeper to challenge for the title. Not another KDB.

yep. the first move he made in the team was to boot Joe Hart

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I don't even think Walker is guaranteed to be in the starting 11.

Really?? I suppose it’s subjective, Dax, but he literally safeguards the risk factor Pep employs; we know he wants the numbers centrally to attack from different angles and that is lacking with anyone else, however, it will be part of his thinking moving forward, I just think you’re probably 12/18 months early!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

yep. the first move he made in the team was to boot Joe Hart

Then realised Bravo wasn’t good enough and moved again.

 

[Agueroooo9320]

I don't even think Walker is guaranteed to be in the starting 11.

Depends if Pep can find a new system of play. but until we play in the current tactical system Walker is very very important. If pep can adopt a system of defending in three at the back with DM dropping into defense like in his barca days, then I agree Walker is less important but for now we defend with two at the back

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

When Pep finished 3rd in his first season with us, he recognised we needed a better keeper to challenge for the title. Not another KDB.

I do agree but I also think that bravo was never more than a tool in applying the system to the back line for future prosperity, that season would of been no different with Eddie as he literally had to coach his system, the same mistakes would of applied, imo!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I do agree but I also think that bravo was never more than a tool in applying the system to the back line for future prosperity, that season would of been no different with Eddie as he literally had to coach his system, the same mistakes would of applied, imo!

Pretty much agree with that, apart from Ederson being a cheat code with his passing. He’d have made some difference. Whether it would have meant winning the league is impossible to know.

 

[red 2 hats]

I am saying without Ederson, KDB won't exist like he does in our system. without Ederson helping our buildup, KDB will probably play like Bruno with flashes of brilliance. You seriously underestimate the importance of Ederson and how our team is entirely built upon playing out from the back.

I don't underestimate Edersons importance to how we play from the back, I think your failing to recognise the importance of Kev, he's won us far more games than Eddie has saved us.
By the way, I currently think Rodri is more important than both of them.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don't even think Walker is guaranteed to be in the starting 11.

He is for our biggest games and is vital to safeguarding our defence.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don't underestimate Edersons importance to how we play from the back, I think your failing to recognise the importance of Kev, he's won us far more games than Eddie has saved us.
By the way, I currently think Rodri is more important than both of them.

No one is disputing that KDB has more goal contributions than Ederson.

What we are suggesting though, is that Ederson is pivotal in how we play. Without him, KDB doesn’t get that ball in the half spaces with time to play the killer ball.

Would you say David Silva was better than KDB? His goal contributions probably say that he isn’t, yet he probably has far more “pre-assists”.

It‘s not just about goal contributions. Ederson makes our team far more stable when he is in it.

I’d agree with you that Rodri is just as vital as Ederson in the system and style we play.

 

[Dax777]

Really?? I suppose it’s subjective, Dax, but he literally safeguards the risk factor Pep employs; we know he wants the numbers centrally to attack from different angles and that is lacking with anyone else, however, it will be part of his thinking moving forward, I just think you’re probably 12/18 months early!

I think I'm most games, Cancelo will be preferred. And Walker more so in away games in CL or against top clubs.

But in 90% of our games, Cancelo will be a preferred starter if he shows a form similar to his early season form last season.

 

[Dax777]

He is for our biggest games and is vital to safeguarding our defence.

For our biggest games and especially awat. I agree. But for 90% of the games, Cancelo will probably be a better value starter.


Assuming both are in top form of course.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Checking minutes played for outfield seniors, I noticed he noticed he is only behind Cancelo (4622) at 3948.... more or less tied with Rodri (3928).

Laporte is >100mins behind. After those three, the next player in the list, KDB, played 500 minutes less.

Seven whole games!? And even KDB was playing far more than Grealish, Gundo, Walker, Sterling, Jesus.

Not only that, Bernie has the second highest "points per game", behind KDB.

The case for him getting recognition from the club for his efforts, is very strong.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Pretty much agree with that, apart from Ederson being a cheat code with his passing. He’d have made some difference. Whether it would have meant winning the league is impossible to know.

Yeah, he’d of certainly bailed a few out of the proverbial but the confusion, notably stones, clichy etc still resonates, he also brought AK into the back line if memory serves… however, Pep really stamped the idea it couldn’t be done into oblivion when he got Herman, the philosophy was ingrained and the rest is history (:

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Checking minutes played for outfield seniors, I noticed he noticed he is only behind Cancelo (4622) at 3948.... more or less tied with Rodri (3928).

Laporte is >100mins behind. After those three, the next player in the list, KDB, played 500 minutes less.

Seven whole games!? And even KDB was playing far more than Grealish, Gundo, Walker, Sterling, Jesus.

Not only that, Bernie has the second highest "points per game", behind KDB.

The case for him getting recognition from the club for his efforts, is very strong.

Problem for Bernie is that he doesn’t want to be here. Signing a new contract ties him down.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Yeah, he’d of certainly bailed a few out of the proverbial but the confusion, notably stones, clichy etc still resonates, he also brought AK into the back line if memory serves… however, Pep really stamped the idea it couldn’t be done into oblivion when he got Herman, the philosophy was ingrained and the rest is history (:

Absolutely and it was a shame that Bravo dropped a clanger at the swamp on his debut. His confidence never really seemed to recover.

If we’d had a confident keeper, that would have helped Kolarov, Stones etc out more.

New full backs helped too though.

 

[Summerbuzz]

Problem for Bernie is that he doesn’t want to be here. Signing a new contract ties him down.

Problem for us is ensuring a true mainstay of our success doesnt feel treated without respect.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Problem for us is ensuring a true mainstay of our success doesnt feel treated without respect.

Hasn’t there been contact about a new contract and he’s just not wanted to negotiate?

 

[i kne albert davy]

Problem for Bernie is that he doesn’t want to be here. Signing a new contract ties him down.

Very difficult for any club to keep a player who doesn't want to be with them anymore, Silva's a top top player but no ones beyond being replaced. Other players will want to win honours with us.