It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread

[oldius]

Agreed, but knowing Pep, he wants beautiful goals, total football, I am not sure a good "welly" is his style ;)

A man can change, can't he?

 

[Keeper!]

A man can change, can't he?

You go and try telling him, good luck.

 

[Dr Jacoby]

Is Umtiti any good? I think he had a big reputation a few years ago but now appears to want out of Barcelona.

 

[oldius]

You go and try telling him, good luck.

I am going to march right in there and I will tell you what, he is getting told, we need more wellying it!

 

[Woody135]

With the Phillip's arrival, Pep will also have an option to move Rodri there - if needed..

We are well covered..

The whole point of signing Phillips was to provide sufficient quality of rotation so Rodri can have a rest, not to move back to CB

 

[blueparrot]

Hard to say...did City know he wouldn't accept the amount they were offering all along?...I suppose if he would have taken it they would be OK with it...but based on his projected role going forward and his current place on the team he was never going to get the numbers he was looking for, let alone a guarantee regarding playing time...that said, good luck Raz...but I believe we made out big time...

It is;’t hard to say, they offered what would. Have been a big contract, they would hardly do that if they did;’t think he’d be a valuable player. That would be stupid to risk being left with a player on a long expensive contract taking up a squad place that the club didn’t think was that good. The club aren’t stupid so they wanted him to stay and they wanted him because they valued him, as they should.
I don’t know whether we will replace him but to get the same quality will cost a lot more than £50 mill.

 

[blue ranger]

We we’re unlucky. Liverpool went the whole season with VVD and their other centre half.

We’ll be alright with 3 world class centre halfs.

No other PL team has got 3 better centre halfs. Remember that.

Well last season if we didn't have 4 we'd have probably lost the league. By the last month of the season we had one half fit CB (Laporte) and Fernandinho. Without Laporte I don't think we'd have got over the line.

 

[Rammy Blue]

The whole point of signing Phillips was to provide sufficient quality of rotation so Rodri can have a rest, not to move back to CB

In an emergency…

 

[FantasyIreland]

It is;’t hard to say, they offered what would. Have been a big contract, they would hardly do that if they did;’t think he’d be a valuable player. That would be stupid to risk being left with a player on a long expensive contract taking up a squad place that the club didn’t think was that good. The club aren’t stupid so they wanted him to stay and they wanted him because they valued him, as they should.
I don’t know whether we will replace him but to get the same quality will cost a lot more than £50 mill.

I'm positive if we choose to go down the path of replacement,which,with Palmer and Alvarez,along with Grealish,i'm thinking we wont,then a player with more hunger,consistency and technical ability can be found for less than 50m and certainly much less than 300k a week.

 

[Woody135]

In an emergency…

It only takes 1 injury and he would immediately be next one in.

Stones gets a hamstring as standard, Dias and Laporte then start every game every 3 days back to back for 6 weeks?

 

[Fordyboy46]

It only takes 1 injury and he would immediately be next one in.

Stones gets a hamstring as standard, Dias and Laporte then start every game every 3 days back to back for 6 weeks?

Very true, that's why I still believe we'll keep hold of Ake

 

[Trickyblues]

Is Umtiti any good? I think he had a big reputation a few years ago but now appears to want out of Barcelona.

Go and take a look at his injury history

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

people really have GOT to tamper their expectations for 4th choice CB replacement or they are going to be extremely disappointed

I get your point mate, but I sincerely hope no-one at the Club is pitching this as an opportunity to sign a 4th choice CB - either internally or externally to any players we’re talking to.

We’re signing a CB to compete with the other three, and if he’s better - he’ll play more.

All three of Dias, Stones and Laporte have had their injury problems over the last few years - we need someone who’s got the confidence they can displace our current CB’s, not who’s happy to rock up and play 4th choice.

I’m sure we didn’t pitch 6th choice attacking midfielder to Jack last summer - or 4th choice CB to Dias when we signed him the summer before.

People have got to get away from that mentality, because that’s not how our team works.

 

[Dirty Harry]

I get your point mate, but I sincerely hope no-one at the Club is pitching this as an opportunity to sign a 4th choice CB - either internally or externally to any players we’re talking to.

We’re signing a CB to compete with the other three, and if he’s better - he’ll play more.

All three of Dias, Stones and Laporte have had their injury problems over the last few years - we need someone who’s got the confidence they can displace our current CB’s, not who’s happy to rock up and play 4th choice.

I’m sure we didn’t pitch 6th choice attacking midfielder to Jack last summer - or 4th choice CB to Dias when we signed him the summer before.

People have got to get away from that mentality, because that’s not how our team works.

Exactly.

 

[philjoneswho?]

I get your point mate, but I sincerely hope no-one at the Club is pitching this as an opportunity to sign a 4th choice CB - either internally or externally to any players we’re talking to.

We’re signing a CB to compete with the other three, and if he’s better - he’ll play more.

All three of Dias, Stones and Laporte have had their injury problems over the last few years - we need someone who’s got the confidence they can displace our current CB’s, not who’s happy to rock up and play 4th choice.

I’m sure we didn’t pitch 6th choice attacking midfielder to Jack last summer - or 4th choice CB to Dias when we signed him the summer before.

People have got to get away from that mentality, because that’s not how our team works.

True like all players they will get the opportunity to play their way into the team. I think that’s why Raz has moved on he needed more guaranteed minutes or minutes in the big games…Pep will be honest and not guarantee player minutes either (maybe half a dozen of the squad would be in that bracket).

 

[samuelyeboah]

I get your point mate, but I sincerely hope no-one at the Club is pitching this as an opportunity to sign a 4th choice CB - either internally or externally to any players we’re talking to.

We’re signing a CB to compete with the other three, and if he’s better - he’ll play more.

All three of Dias, Stones and Laporte have had their injury problems over the last few years - we need someone who’s got the confidence they can displace our current CB’s, not who’s happy to rock up and play 4th choice.

I’m sure we didn’t pitch 6th choice attacking midfielder to Jack last summer - or 4th choice CB to Dias when we signed him the summer before.

People have got to get away from that mentality, because that’s not how our team works.

Whatever you think we *need*, it's very clear that when Ake is replaced, it'll be with a cheaper player who's happy to take ake's minutes. Dias, stones and laporte had injuries last season, and still Ake didn't get that many minutes, certainly not minutes that someone like Kounde/Gvardiol would be happy with, and all I am saying is don't expect players of that ilk.

 

[foggy1974]

I get your point mate, but I sincerely hope no-one at the Club is pitching this as an opportunity to sign a 4th choice CB - either internally or externally to any players we’re talking to.

We’re signing a CB to compete with the other three, and if he’s better - he’ll play more.

All three of Dias, Stones and Laporte have had their injury problems over the last few years - we need someone who’s got the confidence they can displace our current CB’s, not who’s happy to rock up and play 4th choice.

I’m sure we didn’t pitch 6th choice attacking midfielder to Jack last summer - or 4th choice CB to Dias when we signed him the summer before.

People have got to get away from that mentality, because that’s not how our team works.

I agree with your point about squad position but how many are going to come when they're not guaranteed to play every game with a mad decision to play the world cup midseason.
Had the world cup been in the summer instead of mid season then Ake & Jesus might have stuck around.
In theory we roughly 3 months of club football before the world cup starts & then as it finishes the January window opens, where we can re assess the 3 cb & whether we need to sign another.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Whatever you think we *need*, it's very clear that when Ake is replaced, it'll be with a cheaper player who's happy to take ake's minutes. Dias, stones and laporte had injuries last season, and still Ake didn't get that many minutes, certainly not minutes that someone like Kounde/Gvardiol would be happy with, and all I am saying is don't expect players of that ilk.

I’m not sure where you’re getting this ‘very clear’ position from. I’ve seen nothing credible to suggest that’s the approach we’re taking.

Ake didn’t get the minutes because he’s Ake - he simply wasn’t as good as the other three when they were available.

We sign a different player - it’s a different situation.

This is an opportunity to strengthen our position at the back, which I’m sure is how City will be viewing it - not to simply recreate the status quo.

I would hope players of the quality and mentality of Kounde and Gvardiol would see this as an incredible opportunity and back themselves to start - not come in accepting being 4th choice.

 

[Jokithedruid]

Whatever you think we *need*, it's very clear that when Ake is replaced, it'll be with a cheaper player who's happy to take ake's minutes. Dias, stones and laporte had injuries last season, and still Ake didn't get that many minutes, certainly not minutes that someone like Kounde/Gvardiol would be happy with, and all I am saying is don't expect players of that ilk.

I agree, the replacement will probably be someone like Jonny Evans showing our youngsters that there is a place for them to grab. If we buy someone like Gvardiol we’ll effectively tell our young cbs that they should ask for a transfer.

 

[blueparrot]

I'm positive if we choose to go down the path of replacement,which,with Palmer and Alvarez,along with Grealish,i'm thinking we wont,then a player with more hunger,consistency and technical ability can be found for less than 50m and certainly much less than 300k a week.

Wage wise I agree, but we are paying around £45 for Phillips and probably a left back. Doubt vey much we would get a wide attacker with Sterlings goal involvement record for less than £50 mill, think we’d be looking at over 65 mill.
I suspect though we won’t replace him and expect our wide players to be more inside with wide full backs next year. To be honest I comfortable with it whichever way we go. Think left back and replacing Ake if he goes are our priority.