Olivia’s killer guilty - Minimum of 42 years

It will be like when young Resce was shot. An initial wall of silence but then the graffiti on the walls will name names and the pressure will grow but the police ultimately need people to come forward or can't do anything
I think even amongst the criminal fraternity there is a general hatred of this type of crime. Sadly the perpetrators themselves rarely show any sympathy and will be laughing about it possibly and covering up for their mate(s).
For the police they have to get a solid case or the trial goes tits up i guess. As in the Rhys one hopefully people will be shocked and saddened and give some good information
 
The thing is once something is out there it's not going away. Criminalising it isn't going to stop people wanting or getting it. Being able to legally buy it stops the criminals having the monopoly and using violence and intimidation to keep that monopoly. Decriminalising buying and having it frees up police time, courts and prison cells. When ex drug officers advocate this approach you know it's sensible, that's the reason it will never happen.
I think you’re right about decriminalisation. I’ve totally changed my opinion over the years. During the 80, 90s, I’d have said no, and I think that was right for the time but now we’ve come to a point where most people realise this isn’t working. Maybe society has to go through these horrors first to come to this conclusion. And of course, decriminalisation doesn’t mean legalisation across the board. The post by @Scottyboi offers some solutions. Goes without saying, we should also be looking at why young people especially, feel the need to block out life to the point of being numb.
 
All city’s have major issues but Liverpool is toxic, might have the veneer of a great place for a night out but underneath and on top it’s grim, Operation Sheridan is going to court in October with numerous misconduct in office charges and that doesn’t include The ex Mayor and Hatton, the place has been run by gangsters either in high office or the more nefarious ones in crime.

It’s not just now the tunnel scandal was the perfect example of a community robbing off its own

And then you get this poor girl which is heartbreaking.
 
No. A guy was being chased by a gunman and just chose this house to force his way in to. The pursuing gunman followed him in and carried on shooting not giving a shit where his bullets landed. After he left the Mates of the guy he shot turned up and took him to hospital leaving that little 9 year old to die in the arms of her mother
Fucking cunts who I hope are charged also with felony murder ?

Do we have felony murder here or something similar ? Please say we do
My apologies when I typed that I was going off what I heard in the news at that point.
 
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I think you’re right about decriminalisation. I’ve totally changed my opinion over the years. During the 80, 90s, I’d have said no, and I think that was right for the time but now we’ve come to a point where most people realise this isn’t working. Maybe society has to go through these horrors first to come to this conclusion. And of course, decriminalisation doesn’t mean legalisation across the board. The post by @Scottyboi offers some solutions. Goes without saying, we should also be looking at why young people especially, feel the need to block out life to the point of being numb.

Even a lot of ex undercover police officers who targeted drug gangs now believe this is the way forward. The war on drugs started in America and as usual we got into bed with them. They didn't start it to help their citizens, they started it for the same reason they start most things, money.
 
Legalising drugs takes away the power of the criminals and you invest the tax gained into rehabilitation instead.
@Scottyboi that didn't answer the question. Do you legalise everything, every drug that is known and leave a gap for when they invent a new one ?
Further, like cigarettes if you tax it the criminals can still sell it cheaper so they still make a profit.
 
Honest question as i have no idea.
If we legalised drugs, what would stop the drug dealers from just cutting their prices compared to the legal drug prices?
Most drug takers would surely go for the cheaper stuff.
Sorry if it's a stupid question or already answered
 
I was going to post exactly the same thing myself. Most front doors these days have multi point locking systems and are very difficult to break down unless you are using a sledge hammer or angle grinder etc.
But you negate this super strong front door if you decide to unlock it from the inside.
Like you Paul, I never open my front door after dark/9pm.
I had a guy knocking on my front door one dark night last winter.
He had a pizza to deliver, but I hadn't ordered it.
Even though I told him I hadn't ordered it and that I wasn't going to open the front door, he insisted that I take delivery.
Eventually I told him to fuck off, and he decided to take my advice and went.
All done while shouting at him through the living room window.
I got a knock on the door a few Saturdays ago, about 11pm, just myself, the wife and daughter in at the time. I had a bottle of beer in my hand and consciously took it to the door with me, which isn’t a nice way to be thinking tbh. Anyway, turns out it was Merseyside police doing house to house, bloke stabbed at the pub at the end of the road. You’re bang on about not answering the door and this poor girl’s story proves it. And before anyone asks, no I didn’t :)
 
Doesn’t seemed to have happened over here with the legal weed. The variety of things available in the dispensaries is quite amazing
Is your legal weed taxed ? Here we tax cigarettes so criminal gangs bring in tobacco from Europe, including counterfeit tobacco. The pubs do a roaring trade knocking it out. It would becthe same with drugs.
 
Surely even Merseyside police can solve this one.
The lad who was the intended victim was taken in a car by his mates to the local hospital. Even in Liverpool there can't be many people going into A&E with gunshot wounds on a Monday night.
That was the victim, how does that help identify the attacker?
 
Is your legal weed taxed ? Here we tax cigarettes so criminal gangs bring in tobacco from Europe, including counterfeit tobacco. The pubs do a roaring trade knocking it out. It would becthe same with drugs.
Yes, by the States, Federal law still has not legalized across the board. They’re making huge amounts of money
 
Is your legal weed taxed ? Here we tax cigarettes so criminal gangs bring in tobacco from Europe, including counterfeit tobacco. The pubs do a roaring trade knocking it out. It would becthe same with drugs.
Every Polish, Turkish, Armenian, Iraqi ran shop i've been in sell cheap fags and tobacco.
I just walk in and ask them ,they are very open about it and give me a price list
 
Statistically the 90s were much more violent than now.

According to the Crime Survey for England and Wales, violent crime peaked in 1995 and has fallen by over two-thirds since then. In recent years, those falls have largely flattened out.

Nearly five in every 100 adults aged 16 and over were estimated to have been victims of violent crime in 1995. In 2016/17, fewer than two in 100 adults were.
I don’t necessarily believe the statistics. Probably the same in the 90s as well as now but I know for a fact there’s been burglaries on my street, yet according to the stats the only crime committed in the last few years has been a stolen bike… which is laughable.
 
Yes, by the States, Federal law still has not legalized across the board. They’re making huge amounts of money
Then I assume the criminals are selling it cheaper so still making money, albeit not as much.
I would allow chemists to sell weed but I would not tax it.
 

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