How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[bluethrunthru]

Another thing happening that was never gonna happen

Brexit: Jobs 'at risk' over failure to replace EU funds

Consortium of community groups says 1,700 jobs helping vulnerable people find work are under threat.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bluethrunthru]

even when our Govt ignores it the problem doesn't magically go away

UK trade regulators struggling to cope due to poor Brexit planning, MPs say

Commons committee warns there are still shortages of staff to deal with UK’s new status as a third country

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bodicoteblue]

even when our Govt ignores it the problem doesn't magically go away

UK trade regulators struggling to cope due to poor Brexit planning, MPs say

Commons committee warns there are still shortages of staff to deal with UK’s new status as a third country

www.theguardian.com

If you’re having problems complying with regulations……………………………simple - do away with regulations.

 

[carlosthejackal]

Yeah, and I wouldn't take their responses now as particularly truthful.

I knew someone who voted out, ran the 'will of the people' line, forwarded on the 'Final Countdown' video (We're leaving together), raised concerns over the amount of Polish kids in his sons class (in a town in North Notts)....but now apparently (given the clusterfuck) voted to reform the EU not actually leave.

A formerly vociferous pro Brexit friend now declares he’s no interest in current affairs or watching the news .

 

[somapop]

A formerly vociferous pro Brexit friend now declares he’s no interest in current affairs or watching the news .

Yup.
That response is not at all uncommon.

See also "I don't bother with MSM anymore".

 

[old blue]

I wonder how much investment is going into pie-growing research.

Headed by Messrs Pastry and Kipling.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I think there would have been a hefty majority who would have voted for reform of the EU, but as that was never gonna happen they must have felt they were in a cleft stick. I think that's how referenda work - it's all or nowt! And with the current government it's clearly gonna be the latter.

 

[Chris in London]

A formerly vociferous pro Brexit friend now declares he’s no interest in current affairs or watching the news .

Is he a rag?

They have no interest in football anymore for similar reasons

 

[west didsblue]

I think there would have been a hefty majority who would have voted for reform of the EU, but as that was never gonna happen they must have felt they were in a cleft stick. I think that's how referenda work - it's all or nowt! And with the current government it's clearly gonna be the latter.

I think this hefty majority had absolutely no clue about the workings of the EU beyond the rubbish they had been drip fed over the previous 40 years by some influential elements of the media.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I think this hefty majority had absolutely no clue about the workings of the EU beyond the rubbish they had been drip fed over the previous 40 years by some influential elements of the media.

I once asked my daughter just how many people had read the entire Maastricht Treaty. She replied that her husband had, Yes, but he's a lawyer, I said, and I think that just about sums up what grasp the ordinary voter has of the machinations that make up the running of the EU.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

No-one reads the small print though.
That‘s why people voted for Alexander depfeffel on the grounds that he was ‘a comic buffoon’ and ‘just like us’.
And the same pattern stood for the brexit vote- get rid of foreigners and make Britain great again.
The huge and arcane complexities of brexit were way above most people, but crucially some of the simplest , most understandable aspects were horribly misrepresented by the vested interests.
They successfully reduced a hugely complex discussion to a banal binary decision.
Now we have the current shambles. A continuation of collective ignorance and stupidity, and worst of all, a lack of willingness to begin to grasp the basic concepts of what they are voting for.
We are being run by clever, devious groups who know exactly which buttons to push.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I once asked my daughter just how many people had read the entire Maastricht Treaty. She replied that her husband had, Yes, but he's a lawyer, I said, and I think that just about sums up what grasp the ordinary voter has of the machinations that make up the running of the EU.

Nobody beyond the few dozen far right Tories who are now running the country gave a shit about the EU one way or the other before the referendum. I don't remember a single conversation with a single person about it until 2016.

 

[bluejon]

Nobody beyond the few dozen far right Tories who are now running the country gave a shit about the EU one way or the other before the referendum. I don't remember a single conversation with a single person about it until 2016.

And then magically overnight, everyone's nan became an expert on EU regulations and how they were strangling the glory of England. Dicks.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

And then magically overnight, everyone's nan became an expert on EU regulations and how they were strangling the glory of England. Dicks.

Billy fucking Brexit, worked for me, homophobe, racist, sneering posh boy doing a shit sales job because he had no education, said he was going to vote Leave on his first day in the office. I asked him why and he said "I want us to make our own laws". I asked him which laws he didn't like and he said "Well you've got me there".

 

[bluethrunthru]

Nobody beyond the few dozen far right Tories who are now running the country gave a shit about the EU one way or the other before the referendum. I don't remember a single conversation with a single person about it until 2016.

I'd disagree - for as long as Farage in his various party guises was given air time ( what would that be ? Mid 2000's? ) then talk of leaving the EU was around - it was only termed "Brexit" as late as 2012. The problem was that kind of Far Right agenda was given the air time (remember when Farage was on QT almost every week? ) and was largely going unchallenged by the mainstream of Politics so a lot of the lies became embedded as truths before there was any attempt to challenge them. Then Cameron's mob got spooked in the GE and had to promise the referendum that he swaggered into convinced he could win and Robert was your Dad's brother - we were out.

Ironically the UKIPification of the Tories and the blind adoption of Brexit has led us to where we are now - governed by incompetents who are stuck with a Brexit that they cannot reveal and would frankly rather disown and so in the end their big idea - Brexit - will be their downfall and possibly even their dissolution as the Party that we know.

Who coined the term 'Brexit'? | ITV News

A man from Shropshire is credited with inventing the term, which was named the word of the year in 2016. | ITV News Central

www.itv.com

 

[M18CTID]

I'd disagree - for as long as Farage in his various party guises was given air time ( what would that be ? Mid 2000's? ) then talk of leaving the EU was around - it was only termed "Brexit" as late as 2012. The problem was that kind of Far Right agenda was given the air time (remember when Farage was on QT almost every week? ) and was largely going unchallenged by the mainstream of Politics so a lot of the lies became embedded as truths before there was any attempt to challenge them. Then Cameron's mob got spooked in the GE and had to promise the referendum that he swaggered into convinced he could win and Robert was your Dad's brother - we were out.

Ironically the UKIPification of the Tories and the blind adoption of Brexit has led us to where we are now - governed by incompetents who are stuck with a Brexit that they cannot reveal and would frankly rather disown and so in the end their big idea - Brexit - will be their downfall and possibly even their dissolution as the Party that we know.

Who coined the term 'Brexit'? | ITV News

A man from Shropshire is credited with inventing the term, which was named the word of the year in 2016. | ITV News Central

www.itv.com

Finally - a Brexit benefit!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[Summerbuzz]

They're only saying that to back up their wish to cut public spending via not supporting the NHS.

They are eyeing up permanently reduced services compared to pre-COVID being the norm.

It is their ideological wet dream. It is a guaranteed route to worsening a 'quiet' disaster that people learned to ignore when we put 'COVID' behind us. The human suffering will be extensive, and in economic and management terms letting public health slip even further will lead to long term problems for this country.

 

[blueinsa]

Billy fucking Brexit, worked for me, homophobe, racist, sneering posh boy doing a shit sales job because he had no education, said he was going to vote Leave on his first day in the office. I asked him why and he said "I want us to make our own laws". I asked him which laws he didn't like and he said "Well you've got me there".

I got sold a pup, led a merry dance and acted fucking stupidly voting to leave.

I’m no homophobe or racist though and certainly not a rich boy and even now, this insistence that those who voted to leave are all racists or bigots is simply wrong imo.

Fucking stupid for a while? Absolutely, hands up, guilty but none of the other shit mate.

 

[remember arthur mann]

They're only saying that to back up their wish to cut public spending via not supporting the NHS.

They are eyeing up permanently reduced services compared to pre-COVID being the norm.

It is their ideological wet dream. It is a guaranteed route to worsening a 'quiet' disaster that people learned to ignore when we put 'COVID' behind us. The human suffering will be extensive, and in economic and management terms letting public health slip even further will lead to long term problems for this country.

But they'll make loads of money, back to that tawt Thatcher day's.