The Conservative Party

[Jack Hackett]

As I said ......''legislation that benefitted everybody'

What legislation passed by the last Labour government benefited everybody?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I dont think that’s correct. The Tory governments post-WW2, pre-Thatcher, were far more left wing than the present Labour Party.

They voted against the foundation of the NHS ..... 23 Times.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Soooooooooooo, he's not a fan then?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

What legislation passed by the last Labour government benefited everybody?

Here's your starter for 1.

Human Rights Act.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

They voted against the foundation of the NHS ..... 23 Times.

My point remains.

What years did that encompass btw?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

What legislation passed by the last Labour government benefited everybody?

Here's number 2

Abolition of the Death Penalty.

 

[Vic]

Furlough.
Nightingale hospitals.
Vaccines.
Ukraine.
Levelling up.
NATO expansion.
Social care reforms.
Could even chuck Brexit in there if only because it was the democratic will of the country.

This isn’t to say the policies were implemented without fault/issues/successfully etc - but more to say the reasoning and intent of these policies doesn’t indicate a PM who was utterly incompetent (see Liz Truss for that).

Good grief. You're serious!

 

[Jack Hackett]

While my post was intentionally gilded with hyperbole for comedic effect, if asking for a competent government (of any colour, red or blue) makes me a Labour Party activist then I think that's quite a sad indictment on where we are. All I want is to see is some semblance of ability and integrity from the people who are supposed to be running our country.

At a policy level, I'm actually politically very moderate/centrist and in times gone by I had a lot of respect for some Conservative MPs and would have happily voted for them at a constituency level or during local elections. The party has changed though for the worse - perhaps irreparably. I've voted Lib Dem too on multiple occasions. I've not decided who I would vote for this time round but you can probably tell who it wouldn't be.

Thanks for the candour. I think the clear influence recently shown by global financial markets suggest that they ultimately determine economic policy, not the government. Should Labour get into power, they will face the same constraints on policy.

 

[Vic]

You’re confusing his personal behaviours (unfit for office) with his political policies.

Glad you admit he's unfit for office.

 

[mat]

Insofar as pension schemes are concerned.

1. Gordon Browns tax grab from pension schemes has amounted to them being denuded over the last 20 years of £100 billion. No other measure has so impacted them forcing higher contributions from employers and most DB schemes closed to new members.

2. The recent hit to pension schemes forcing the BoE to intervene was due to stupid trustees under advice from greedy investment advisors contracting into flawed LDI derivatives that meant when gilt yields rose rapidly, they had to sell gilts at a loss to pay the collateral due on those derivatives.

3. The BoE must share the blame for not increasing interest rates earlier and letting inflation rip without check.

To Paraphrase Gene Hunt:

"You soft southern Nancy Boy, shandy drinking,Tory bastards supporting poofter!"

:)

 

[Jack Hackett]

Here's number 2

Abolition of the Death Penalty.

That hardly benefitted subsequent murder victims who might have lived were it not for the absence of that deterrent

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

That hardly benefitted subsequent murder victims who might have lived were it not for the absence of that deterrent

Lol

 

[Jack Hackett]

To Paraphrase Gene Hunt:

"You soft southern Nancy Boy, shandy drinking,Tory bastards supporting poofter!"

:)

Insofar as I’m concerned, I drink Guinness and my sexual inclination is heterosexual, so that would be largely inaccurate…

 

[Vic]

 

[inchy14]

That hardly benefitted subsequent murder victims who might have lived were it not for the absence of that deterrent

Death penalty has never nor never will be a deterrent. I doubt many murderers go out thinking about the consequences.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What legislation passed by the last Labour government benefited everybody?

How can any legislation possibly benefit everybody? Surely, the purpose of legislation is to restrict the activities of some, to benefit another class of people.

You completely misapprehend the purpose of laws if you feel they should ever benefit everybody.

For example, the law against rape, section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 (Labour legislation) does not benefit rapists.

Do you want rapists to benefit from our laws?

Do you think Labour legislation should have taken the interests of rapists into account when drafting its legislation?

Were the last Labour government not sufficiently pro-rapist for you?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

That hardly benefitted subsequent murder victims who might have lived were it not for the absence of that deterrent

A Scarecrow wanking might give you a guess as to my response

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

What legislation passed by the last Labour government benefited everybody?

maternity / paternity leave (and pay)

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

What legislation passed by the last Labour government benefited everybody?

TRIPLED NHS SPENDING

 

[BobKowalski]

Thanks for the candour. I think the clear influence recently shown by global financial markets suggest that they ultimately determine economic policy, not the government. Should Labour get into power, they will face the same constraints on policy.

No. It shows that if you sack the top Treasury mandarin, do a mini-statement with unfunded tax cuts, refuse to let the OBR do a cost analysis then the markets will assume you are a lunatic and react accordingly.

The morale of this story is don’t be an arsehole. Truss and Kwarteng were arseholes and got fucked, sans lube. Unfortunately, the country also paid a high price.