Rishi Sunak

Octavian said:
He wasn’t though was he.

He literally called Truss’s plans “fairy tale economics”.

He’s a return to professional, potentially boring politics and we need that.
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You're saying he wasn't fully on board with Boris' government? Despite basically being the second most important member of it?
 
jma said:
To me, the people who are in the Tufton St mafia could not be more 'establishment', in background, contempt for the lower classes and lack of any interest in social mobility.

If the 'real' establishment act as a counter balance to these morons, as you suggest, then they would seem to be a more benign force against the extremist element, than I give then credit for.

To me, the establishment (as much as uou can say such an abstract concept exists) is less about maintaining relatively centrist politics and more about ensuring that social mobility is limited to a superficial level that doesn't upset the position of the richest 1%. Whilst making sure that the other 99% is exploited to a ridiculous level.

And that's what Tufton St /etc is all about

Of course, you might think that maintaining centrist politics and ensuring restricted social mobility are the same thing. I wouldn't - well certainly nowhere near compared to the wet dream that the 'establishment' at Tufton St would like to implement.
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I agree with much of this, but the proof of the pudding was in the eating. The Tufton St mafia won! Their puppets were in Downing Street in both 10 and 11! Then the market slapped the upstarts real hard and the Tufton St experiment spectacularly crashed! Lasting the sum total of 45 days!

Now the empire has struck back.

But you're right, these establishment Tory fuckers are not centrists, they're George Osborne, they're Call Me Dave, they're New Labour with no money and no empathy.

Don't get me wrong, they're still bastards, but maybe under them the Pound might be good for something other than wiping your arse.
 
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Eccles Blue said:
*lol* 81 years young. Four people in the last 9 days have told me I look a lot younger, one being my doctor, (I don’t act my age either as some of my daft posts confirm!) :-)
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EB, 81 you say? As I said on Saturday to an 82 year old young at heart lady, it’s just a number:)
 
meltonblue said:
Right, that’s when he doubled down on it and was what I was referring to when I said it was pretty clearly bollocks (and dangerous tbh).

On the omicron strain and the lockdown that he said he stopped, that was disputed too.
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Yeah the claims are that everyone there had concerns, and him saying it was just him is false… but they haven’t said he didn’t think lockdown for omicron was wrong.

Thats what I’m trying to flesh out.
 
Octavian said:
Yeah the claims are that everyone there had concerns, and him saying it was just him is false… but they haven’t said he didn’t think lockdown for omicron was wrong.

Thats what I’m trying to flesh out.
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Ah. I wasn’t disputing that, more the rhetoric he was saying about being a lone voice about it or that he had any influence personally around the decision on omicron and what to do with that.

I can’t remember now who were the dissenting voices in government that didn’t hold a similar opinion tbh or even if there was any.
 
bluenova said:
I was replying to a post which said that "His economic plans were the opposite of Liz Truss"

Two people saying they'll cut tax, and be tough on public sector spending but one saying they'll wait a bit before the tax cutting part is not the "opposite".
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The perfect fumble said:
I agree with much of this, but the proof of the pudding was in the eating. The Tufton St mafia won! Their puppet was in Downing Street in both 10 and 11! Then the market slapped the upstarts real hard and the Tufton St experiment spectacularly crashed! Lasting the sum total of 45 days!

Now the empire has struck back.

But you're right, these establishment Tory fuckers are not centrists, they're George Osborne, they're Call Me Dave, they're New Labour with no money and no empathy.

Don't get me wrong, they're still bastards, but maybe under them the Pound might be good for something other than wiping your arse.
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How do you wipe your arse with a pound coin?
 
meltonblue said:
Ah. I wasn’t disputing that, more the rhetoric he was saying about being a lone voice about it or that he had any influence personally around the decision on omicron and what to do with that.

I can’t remember now who were the dissenting voices in government that didn’t hold a similar opinion tbh or even if there was any.
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Ok fair enough, think we have been making the same point.

It looks as tho if he did bend the truth or rewrite history as they say, he did so because he was losing badly to Truss and was clutching at straws.
 
I do hope Rishi Sunak gives Kwasi Kwatang a significant job in the next cabinet (not chancellor but something important). It was disgraceful how Liz Truss basically sacked the guy for doing what she asked and did so to try and save her own arse. Which then didn't work!
 
I'm not a Tory but i'm just going to enjoy us as a country not looking and acting like fools for a while. If I could offer Rishi one piece of advice it would be to sleep with one eye open. I'm counting down to a General Election and hoping things have not gotten drastically worse.
 
El_george said:
I do hope Rishi Sunak gives Kwasi Kwatang a significant job in the next cabinet (not chancellor but something important). It was disgraceful how Liz Truss basically sacked the guy for doing what she asked and did so to try and save her own arse. Which then didn't work!
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Ahh yes he was perfectly innocent having meetings with his banker pals who all made a fortune shorting the pound.
 
5 Hit Gibbon said:
He's not right in the head. How the hell did we end up with him leading the country?
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A fair proportion of the population were gullible enough to be taken in by him in spite of his long well known history of lies, casual racism and laziness. Too many people either didn’t know or didn’t care because he was selling a message they were only too keen to buy even though it was unachievable.
 
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