Matt Le Tissier

JASR said:
‘99% benign’ bollox, the nightingale death plot diagrams for 2020/2021 show (any) deaths were far higher than normal. Unless there’s some other cause that has mysteriously been entirely missed?

‘Govt ignored plan’ - probably. Though I can vaguely understand why ‘so, what your saying is we need to shut our borders and air traffic… but I’ve got tickets to Liverpool in the CL and the Cheltenham festival…’ it’s an almost incomprehensible decision to be made, unless you have a scientific/medical background - and the PM/cabinet/wonks generally don’t.

‘Long term impact’ - deaths would possibly have continued to be at significantly higher rates above normal, without the (too late imposed) lockdown, until the population achieved some sort of immunity (be it natural/vaccination), but that still left room for an even more lethal mutation of a ‘benign’ virus, a la influenza 1918.
With regards to economic issues, I think , personally, brexit has caused more for the UK longterm. Covid (and how it was dealt with) ‘only’ caused a backlog of serious crap for a
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Anyone who claims they have an accurate figure in relation to morbidity and mortality associated with Covid is a fool or a liar given the comprehensive manipulation that all such figures have been subject to, but let's assume there were excess overall deaths in 20/21 I'm not disputing that they will have been due to Covid, it was a fatal illness for less than 1% of people who caught it, but that 1% were almost entirely all elderly and moribund with comorbidities that would have finished them off sooner rather than later anyway probably the next cold snap, heatwave or flu season... and Covid just brought their demise marginally forward into to a compressed time period.

Compare that to the many thousands of deaths we are now going to see in the coming years of comparatively young people who's lives will be cut short by cancer not being detected, diagnosed and treated in time because we shut the NHS down for the best part of 2 years in what was a futile effort to protect those most vulnerable from covid.

All your other points are just what iffery based on what appears to be a speculative assumption that covid was going to do something that no other virus in known history has ever done and establish itself in a host population before somehow mutating into a more lethal form.
 
bluethrunthru said:
such an odd way to apply for a job

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Yeah

As much I think the extreme liberal left is just as bad as the far right these days in how they treat opposition, I don’t put Southgate in that bracket at all, just seems like a good caring bloke.

But what does “woke” even mean? If it means being like Southgate then it’s not a bad thing. If it means cancelling and silencing people for having a different opinion, then it is. Seems like it’s just a word thrown around without any real definition, just because someone thinks differently.

A bit like when people throw out the word Nazi and fascist towards people that oppose them, without any consideration for what those words actually mean.
 
jacko74 said:
Perhaps he has demonstrated to be "balls deep in conspiracy bullshit" elsewhere, but all I'm seeing in that clip is him confirming a number of facts...

-It was known from a very early stage that Covid is an entirely benign if somewhat unpleasant illness for 99% of the population.
-The government did have a well established pandemic plan in place which for some reason it chose to completely disregard.
-The long term impact of the response to Covid, in regards to the economy and public health, is far more serious, wide ranging and long lasting than any damage that Covid did or didn't cause.
-Sunak has completely refused to acknowledge the key role he played in causing the now all too evident damage to the economy and public health.

I'm sorry to hear your mental health was effected but I very much doubt it was covid that caused it, it was more likely the entirely disproportionate and largely unjustified over reaction, the scare mongering and the fear instilling authoritarianism that was more likely the cause of your mental health problems.
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No, it wasn’t being frightened because the media told me to be - I took the necessary precautions but that was it - it was the extreme loneliness and not being able to see family and friends or have a social life that did it. But thanks for your concern. I was in a clinical trial for a jab, as it happens.

Have you seen Le Tissier’s Twitter? It’s not just COVID he’s like this about.
 
And why is he attacking Southgate? I’d like to see Le Tissier manage the England team, but he’s too lazy to get into coaching. He said so himself.

‘Woke’ is meaningless. Everything is bloody woke these days. I guess Le Tissier would prefer it if we Evertonians started throwing bananas at black players again.

Also, the liberal left don’t have a body count on the level of the far right. There’s being aggressive on Twitter and then there’s shooting people dead or blowing up abortion clinics because you don’t like their politics or you don’t like gay people or whatever, like the Soho pub bombing. And Le Tissier is being allowed to talk shite on GB News, he’s not the martyr he thinks he is.

I dislike the trivialising of the word ‘Nazi’ though.
 
jacko74 said:
Anyone who claims they have an accurate figure in relation to morbidity and mortality associated with Covid is a fool or a liar given the comprehensive manipulation that all such figures have been subject to, but let's assume there were excess overall deaths in 20/21 I'm not disputing that they will have been due to Covid, it was a fatal illness for less than 1% of people who caught it, but that 1% were almost entirely all elderly and moribund with comorbidities that would have finished them off sooner rather than later anyway probably the next cold snap, heatwave or flu season... and Covid just brought their demise marginally forward into to a compressed time period.

Compare that to the many thousands of deaths we are now going to see in the coming years of comparatively young people who's lives will be cut short by cancer not being detected, diagnosed and treated in time because we shut the NHS down for the best part of 2 years in what was a futile effort to protect those most vulnerable from covid.

All your other points are just what iffery based on what appears to be a speculative assumption that covid was going to do something that no other virus in known history has ever done and establish itself in a host population before somehow mutating into a more lethal form.
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Ffs it’s an easy chart to read about excess deaths over and above ‘normal’ , Infact I’ve posted it multiple times before, including iirc in response to you.

Florence Nightingale Diagrams of Deaths in England & Wales | The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

www.cebm.net www.cebm.net

It’s either covid or something else causing the massive red mound and the purple plateau, and as no-one has any other rationale put forward - it’s covid.

It’s not ‘marginal’, it’s not ‘killed them a bit earlier’, it’s not ‘they’ll die from cold snap’ (you can see when that sort of thing happens in the winter variances).

As I said, flu 1918 waves it’s mutation tentacles and shows you what mutation could be again.
 
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jacko74 said:
Anyone who claims they have an accurate figure in relation to morbidity and mortality associated with Covid is a fool or a liar given the comprehensive manipulation that all such figures have been subject to, but let's assume there were excess overall deaths in 20/21 I'm not disputing that they will have been due to Covid, it was a fatal illness for less than 1% of people who caught it, but that 1% were almost entirely all elderly and moribund with comorbidities that would have finished them off sooner rather than later anyway probably the next cold snap, heatwave or flu season... and Covid just brought their demise marginally forward into to a compressed time period.

Compare that to the many thousands of deaths we are now going to see in the coming years of comparatively young people who's lives will be cut short by cancer not being detected, diagnosed and treated in time because we shut the NHS down for the best part of 2 years in what was a futile effort to protect those most vulnerable from covid.

All your other points are just what iffery based on what appears to be a speculative assumption that covid was going to do something that no other virus in known history has ever done and establish itself in a host population before somehow mutating into a more lethal form.
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We didn’t shut down the NHS we prevented the NHS breaking down, you're spreading shit.
 
Le Tissier is entitled to his opinions, but to have a pop at Southgate was not right. Southgate seems a decent bloke. Just because he did not take up Le Tissier's offer of penalty coaching does not justify making personal comments about Southgate. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
 
If Le Tissier wants to get into management or coaching so badly, why hasn't he done that? Why has he spent all these years farting about on Sky Sports instead of getting his badges or helping out at Southampton's academy or whatever? I know he thinks badges are pointless but like it or not, you have to have them nowadays if you want to coach. You have to be qualified and you have to have experience, you can't just turn up expecting to be given a job because you played for Southampton ages ago. England would be better off getting Yaya.
 
I had to go private to get what turned out to be a tumour removed because of ops being delayed. That wasn't fun but it was either that or not be able to breathe for another year and I'd had enough. Good thing the cancer didn't spread.

The government did manage the whole thing horribly, especially with that stupid 'eat out to help out' plan and the tier bullshit. I was supposed to be spending Christmas with my parents in 2020 (it's my mum's birthday) but at the time they lived in Cambridgeshire and it went into Tier 4 only a few days before Christmas, and I wasn't able to travel, and it was fucking shit. We did Zoom call each other but it wasn't the same.
 
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