FA confirm Southgate will stay on until after Euro 2024 (p 101)

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domalino said:
That’s not how carrying the ball out of defence works.

The whole point is that by taking it past the first line of defenders you force a midfielder to abandon whoever he is marking to deal with you, which frees someone else up.

If other players on the team don’t move to find the space you’ve created that’s their fault.

Peps been preaching and explaining this for 15 years.
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That’s not what was happening. You have a player move it just needs a quick pass but he makes the wrong decision & carries the ball & it’s gone.

Now there is a time to carry & a time to pass. Tine after time he wrong choice was made. I thought Walker & Stones did it well.

I thought France did it well.
 
I'm not a fan of Southgate and have been highly critical of him. But I thought England were very good last night, everyone on the pitch played well and we had the better of a very good France side for large periods.

I think Southgate has took us as far as he can, but like I say I think last night we were largely excellent.
 
he will never stand down from the England manager's Job because nobody else would have him
also, I find it hilarious that the media are not smashing him a new hole today,

for many, this was England's best chance with great young talent, but Southgate skills are weak and at best the levels are EFL championship, most of the top teams and managers keep the ball and have players happy to take the ball off the defence and keeper and play on the grass through the middled of the park,

Foden, Bellingham, would be the main players for Spain/France/Brazil/Argentina and would be controlling the ball,
yesterday I could not believe what I was watching when Foden was fighting for a header out wide from a punt from our back four,
 
ancoats said:
he will never stand down from the England manager's Job because nobody else would have him
also, I find it hilarious that the media are not smashing him a new hole today,

for many, this was England's best chance with great young talent, but Southgate skills are weak and at best the levels are EFL championship, most of the top teams and managers keep the ball and have players happy to take the ball off the defence and keeper and play on the grass through the middled of the park,

Foden, Bellingham, would be the main players for Spain/France/Brazil/Argentina and would be controlling the ball,
yesterday I could not believe what I was watching when Foden was fighting for a header out wide from a punt from our back four,
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can't believe the media reaction... praising him for being 'classy' in defeat - jesus, he's had enough practice
 
Crooked_rain said:
Imagine you’re chasing the game in the World Cup quarter-final against a team that don’t actually look all that great and your three substitutions are Rashford, Mount and Sterling. Why not try an extra striker like Wilson who has some pace, or Grealish or Madison who can carry the ball and create something.

Essentially, he ended the same team he start of the tournament with apart from Rashford instead of Saka. This is his preferred team and that’s obvious (and worrying). Well, he brought Grealish on for one minute because Stones had to go off.

That’s just Gareth Southgate in a nutshell and that’s why we need to get shot.

I wouldn’t say France were particularly good, and neither were we but Southgate just can’t get wins over these good teams with good managers and he won’t ever be able to. We never even looked like scoring in open play.

Lovely guy i’m sure but managers need something about them, along with ability. He has neither.
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Absolutely spot on. You must have a plan that answers the question: how are we going to score goals? If the answer is from ‘set pieces and penalties only’, you will not win the key games.
He has done well to create a harmonious dressing room, getting rid of the cults etc. but the lack of tactical awareness is fatal.
EDIT PS Examples are 1. Allowing Kane to drop too deep; when crosses came in, Kane was on the 18yard line. 2. Leaving Foden hugging the touchline is a waste of a very potent goal scoring/creating talent.
 
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KS55 said:
Absolutely spot on. You must have a plan that answers the question: how are we going to score goals? If the answer is from ‘set pieces and penalties only’, you will not win the key games.
He has done well to create a harmonious dressing room, getting rid of the cults etc. but the lack of tactical awareness is fatal.
EDIT PS Examples are 1. Allowing Kane to drop too deep; when crosses came in, Kane was on the 18yard line. 2. Leaving Foden hugging the touchline is a waste of a very potent goal scoring/creating talent.
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Agreed. Kane is always dropping so deep that England really needed a proper center forward next to him to have the box populated.
 
Phil1 said:
I imagine every other nationality would rather England keep him as well.
Genuinely baffled how anybody can say keep him, even more baffled that people are saying who can replace him as a reason to keep him.
Laughable.
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Who would be better? Before Southgate we had big Sam!
 
Phil1 said:
I imagine every other nationality would rather England keep him as well.
Genuinely baffled how anybody can say keep him, even more baffled that people are saying who can replace him as a reason to keep him.
Laughable.
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The reaction from the worlds press is that it was the game of the tournament, England and France were the two best sides left, England played well and were really unlucky to lose, but it happens sometimes.

I’ve seen that in German, Spanish, American and French press.

If you don’t want to trawl through it all yourself the telegraph translated all the French coverage

www.telegraph.co.uk

'A battle royal' – how the world reacted to England's defeat to France

Despite the defeat the reaction was positive for Gareth Southgate's side with many arguing that they edged the match against the French
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk


So why is it that impartial observers of the game and even the French think England played well, we’re arguably the better side and would be stupid to make major changes, and the people who have been angry at Southgate since he took the job in 2016 are calling for him to be fired.


Could it be that you’re so biased that you’ve lost all sense of partiality?

Or is the rest of the world wrong?
 
domalino said:
The reaction from the worlds press is that it was the game of the tournament, England and France were the two best sides left, England played well and were really unlucky to lose, but it happens sometimes.

I’ve seen that in German, Spanish, American and French press.


So why is it that impartial observers of the game think England played well and would be stupid to make major changes, and the people who have been angry at Southgate since he took the job in 2016 are calling for him to be fired.


Could it be that you’re so biased that you’ve lost all sense of partiality?

Or is the rest of the world wrong?
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How much more time should Southgate be given?
 
Jazzman said:
Agreed. Kane is always dropping so deep that England really needed a proper center forward next to him to have the box populated.
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I was saying earlier, England need to basically copy how France set up yesterday. To me, the way they set their team up is a real blueprint in how England can get the best out of our players too. 4-2-3-1.

Get Foden in the middle of the 3 behind Kane, Foden is the Griezmann, basically a free role pulling the strings, he’s more than capable. Stop Kane dropping too deep, he can be Giroud, he’s good enough for that too.

Foden in the middle of a 3 behind Kane free’s up a space on the left. So on the right and left of Foden you have a choice of Saka/Grealish/Rashford etc. depending on who’s having some joy out there.

Then in your midfield behind behind those 3 you have Bellingham and Rice/Phillips.
 
Southgate’s record thus far:

2018 World Cup: Semifinal
2019 Nations League: Third Place
2020 Euros: Runners Up
2021 Nations League: Relegated to League B
2022 World Cup: Quarterfinal
 
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