Motion - the country is completely broken

Blue Maverick said:
That’s the state of the nhs mate, I’ve been to an RTC two hours after it happened to look after a casualty because the ambulance never got allocated, they are fucked, fire service are now regularly left to attend all but the most serious casualties sometimes waiting hours for ambulances and in sone instances had to travel in the back to help, we trialled years ago attending cardiac arrests because many times we could get there quicker and we were fucking good at it, despite the piss poor training and turn out methods, yet they wouldn’t pay us extra so it was stopped.
Click to expand...
That's very shoddy mate.
Terrible situation. Didn't know it was so bad.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I knew the NHS was fucked last year, a lad on the watch had what I thought was a suspected stroke, we drove him to A&E, we went in and and yes I expected to be treated a bit different because we were in uniform (don’t shoot me) however we had to wait over an hour to see someone, now strokes need to be treated immediately or that’s what we are told, for the drugs to take effect. I suspect if we had called for an ambulance the wait would’ve been a lot longer, thankfully he made a full recovery, but when you are waiting for stuff like this you look around the waiting room and think when the fuck will this end.
Click to expand...

This sounds like a problem with the staff on duty rather than the NHS itself. I don’t care “how busy” they might be, to not come and triage your colleague to see if he has had a stroke, is a complete dereliction of duty - glad he is ok.

On a similar vein people complained about not being able to see dying relatives in hopsital due to the pandemic - this wasn’t government policy but local trust policy - Mrs MB’s trust let you in, only 1 at a time granted but you’d still get in.
 
Complex Simplicity said:
Boils my blood talking about the Tories. They haven't an ounce of integrity between them.







As someone who works in the NHS, I find it very frustrating to see the articles pinning the blame on the public sector for the working people fighting for what's right. Don't fuel the tabloids by listening to them! It's the working people who will get this country thriving again - not the corrupt greedy Government who are selling off the Country's best assets for a quick profit. Working people who work every god send hour to provide for their families are suffering at the hands of corporate greed, and this has to stop! Blowing over 30 billion on a "world beating" track and trace system and inedaquate PPE which ended up in the hands of corrupt Tory Donors.







This was all whilst this Tory government were laughing at the front line workers by having lockdown parties and kissing their secretaries in their private offices whilst Nurses and Doctors were contacting people to the tell them their husband, wife, dad, mother, brother and grandfather's had died.







The working people aren't just striking for higher salaries and job security, they are fighting to save our Country. It's about retaining staff, increasing numbers of people going to university stuying to become nurses, doctors or paramedics, its about promoting patient safety, reducing wait times, preventing highly trained Nurses, Doctors and Pharmacists from leaving the NHS and working for private agencies for higher salaries, reduced stress and better working conditions! It's about having enough wipes and dressings for basic patient care and wound management care. It's about saving Network Rail and Royal Mail. It's about funding our public sector so we have enough bodies in the workforces to provide security for this country, it's about reducing the amount of Police in Accident and Emergency on a Friday night with Mental Health Patients so they can reduce crime on our streets, it's about the Police being able to attend to an old lady being burgled that same day! It's about Ambulances attending to Strokes and Heart attacks immediately, and not 1-2 hours being reported, it's about reducing Mental Health by decreasing austerity in younger adults and it's about improving social care so medically fit and well patients aren't taking up hospital beds who are needed by those in desperate need of medical intervention!







We are watching a Tory Government destroy our reputations on the national scene and squander finances. Energy companies making record profits are benefiting from taxpayers money whilst we still have food banks and 25% of the country are struggling to pay their bills this winter.





It's an absolute joke, but we only have ourselves to blame. The country voted for these fuckwits!!
Click to expand...

I can’t be arsed to debunk these figures again here but they are in the RMT thread.

The trust you work out sounds a complete nightmare.
 
the blue panther said:
Edward Heath made a party political broadcast after we joined the then "Common Market" and, although I was but a teenager back then, I recall his words very well; that it wasn't just for our benefit, but for our children, and our children's children.
Later, the single market was trumpeted by Thatcher, and lauded widely as freeing business from 'red tape' - and, lo and behold, it did.
And so, where are we now? Back at the bottom of the heap, having tumbled down and got covered in covid, red tape, after being so gullible as to believe that we were being lead towards the sunlit uplands.
I witnessed a female Brexit spokesperson - Alexandra Phillips - on Politics Daily the other day, defending the present position, the fact that no new trade deals of note had been signed yet, and imploring that we shouldn't judge things now, but in 10 years! All this after we were promised an instant £350m a week extra towards the NHS? (Forgive me if I erred with the figure but I think that's what was so brazenly promised by Johnson, et al.)
If only someone could grab the country and shake it from it's stupor, so that it's eyes would open and recognise that we must change now, and never allow such a disatrous sequence to be embarked upon ever again - not for us, or our children, but for our childrens' children.
Click to expand...

Slightly wrong on your history there. Thatcher was pro the common market, then we had the Maastricht Treaty which created the EU, Thatcher was bitterly opposed to the MT. Heath was in favour.
 
Gaudion M said:
Agree. Overriding tory strategy is to fuck the NHS up to the point that privatisation seems a sensible solution. The fact they have run it into the ground is to be ignored. And of course they will say that it's too expensive while refusing to investigate the blatant corruption of the pandemic and refusing to properly fund the tax office so tax avoidance runs rampant.
Click to expand...
A bunch of gangsters, no less.
 
BrianW said:
I have just seen a list of Tory front-benchers. Most are claiming over £1m in expenses, some over £2m. (And before anyone says, I doubt Labour are all claiming 50p either.) The total front bench 'expenses' add up to over £44 million, and that's a lot of lattes, even in London.

When you get comparisons to the 'Prime Minister's wage' in the public sector, they always forget the PM is entitled to almost limitless expenses, a free manor house for the weekends (which by the way costs nearly a million a year to run) lifetime police protection and a chauffeur driven car as well. To say nothing of access to heavily-subsidised bars and restaurants. The argument is wholly disingenuous.

This country is a fucking joke. We need a completely new constitution with terms of employment for politicians clearly set out. My suggestion would be to copy best practice from Europe.
Click to expand...

I think those numbers of £44m are probably somewhat off. There are 120 ministers on the front bench, average claim last year by MPs was £205k with the highest being £280k. No one claimed over £1m or anywhere close. For reference Starmer and Johnson both claimed around £170k, Sunak £3k
 
metalblue said:
This sounds like a problem with the staff on duty rather than the NHS itself. I don’t care “how busy” they might be, to not come and triage your colleague to see if he has had a stroke, is a complete dereliction of duty - glad he is ok.

On a similar vein people complained about not being able to see dying relatives in hopsital due to the pandemic - this wasn’t government policy but local trust policy - Mrs MB’s trust let you in, only 1 at a time granted but you’d still get in.
Click to expand...
Maybe mate as you seem to meet the receptionist and they just sit you down, tbh I was fuming I was a trauma tech and I know when someone needs to be seen, granted it was busy but even a nurse to come and chat with me would’ve been at least a nod to the possible seriousness of the situation, even when we did get in to see someone she tied to fuck me off until I told her I was handing a patient over and it was incorrect procedure until Id presented my version of what had gone on as he sadly didn’t have a clue.
 
metalblue said:
Slightly wrong on your history there. Thatcher was pro the common market, then we had the Maastricht Treaty which created the EU, Thatcher was bitterly opposed to the MT. Heath was in favour.
Click to expand...
I didn't say that. I think your recollection is wrong. She was very pro the single european act, but anti Maastricht. I suspect there's nothing between us, but, here you go:-
One of the more bitter aspects of the Tory infighting over the Maastricht Treaty revolved around Margaret Thatcher-practising her role as a backseat driver-coming out against Maastricht and calling for a referendum on the treaty, which a lot of people figured was because she thought it would lose. John Major and his supporters, and even a few rebels, thought that this was her getting back at him for perceived disloyalty over her removal from power and that she would have backed Maastricht like she backed the Single European Act. Thatcher, and most Maastricht rebels, insist that this was one treaty too far and that Major was a wet, pro-European, whose opt-outs didn't mean much in reality.

This often gets mixed in with debates over Heseltine's leadership challenge and Thatcher's toppling from power, but I think it's a question that doesn't get asked enough or-when it asked-the answer is stuck in re-fighting old wars. On the one hand, Thatcher was seen as having taken an anti-European turn after Bruges and someone who said "No, no, no" to a lot of what Maastricht proposed might not have gone for it. But, Bruges tends to be overstated as some kind of conversion or descent into madness. A lot of the speech is actually supportive of the project and Thatcher comes out more from retrenchment than retreat.

Also, the question doesn't get asked since it's rightly believed that Thatcher would have lost the next election. For the sake of debate, we'll presume that there's no Poll Tax or the economic troubles of '89-91 are butterflyed forward and so Thatcher has enough stable ground to fend off Meyer's challenge, Heseltine is deterred, and let's add giving Howe a cold so his speech is shorter/less effective.

Would Thatcher have signed Maastricht?

The first thing to consider are the opt-outs from the Euro and Social Chapter, along with the principle of subsidiarity. The element of personal diplomacy does matter as I doubt Thatcher's stance on German re-unification would have won her friends in Berlin and she already felt that the other leaders had broken trust over the SEA. If she doesn't get the opt-outs Major got IOTL, I can't see her agreeing to sign the treaty, but even if she did, would it have been enough?

There's also Black Wednesday and outside factors including the Danish and French referendums. Considering Thatcher was dragged kicking and screaming into the former, an earlier exit from the ERM isn't unlikely with even more complaints about Germany than OTL. Those events gave the Maastricht rebels a boost and having a Prime Minister feeling like she was right and her Cabinet was wrong isn't going to make life easy for Clarke, Hurd, etc who'd be pushing hard for Maastricht. The party's also going to be more Europsceptic at the backbench level.

Whether she agrees to sign or not, there's also the question of rebellion. If she agrees to sign, there's no spiritual leader for the rebels to go on or a belief that their leader got the job through dodgy methods, but there'll still be rebels to a government with a much smaller majority than in 1986. It'd pass, but the mythology of the Eurosceptic Right would be very different. If she doesn't sign, there's going to be Cabinet resignations and maybe even defections to the LibDems. I doubt she'd go for a referendum on the treaty while she was Prime Minister; not just because it'd be widely seen as a wrecking-tactic.

I personally think Thatcher would have been open to the treaty, but under conditions that wouldn't have been accepted and probably leading to a crisis as one member-state refuses to sign.
 
metalblue said:
I can’t be arsed to debunk these figures again here but they are in the RMT thread.

The trust you work out sounds a complete nightmare.
Click to expand...
I'm a nurse, and have been for 8 years. Was a band 7 in a management role at Leeds teaching hospitals - which is a very good trust compared to most.

I recently handed my notice in and I now work for a few private agencies at 4 or 5 different hospitals. Better pay, better working conditions and I can pick and choose when and where I work and negotiate my hourly rate at some places (will help me get to every MCFC match). There's only so much you can take really.
Imagine you go into work and 4 staff haven't turned up - 2 of your substantive members of staff have phoned in sick due to yesterdays stressful shift. The safe (minimum) numbers are 12 (for a 30 bedded acute admissions unit), but you've now only got 8 (3 nurses and 5 support workers). The ward across the corridor are only on 5 and the ward next to you are on 4, so you're then asked to send your extra 2 you have to those other wards so you're now on 6 (2 nurses and 4 support workers). You can't fight it, you have to send your extra to the other wards as you've no choice. You've got 5 extremely sick patients, you've got 2 2:1's (aggressive patients trying to punch your staff) and 5 very high falls risks who are on falls sensors because you don't have the staff to watch them.
You have 5 agency staff who are getting paid triple what you are with nowhere near the same responsibility as you and only have 1 substantive members of staff who know the unit well (clinical support workers and nurses). A lady falls and it turns out she fractures her hip. You have to write a statement of what happened, gather other staffs statements to sort out for a future root cause analysis and an impending falls panel meeting you're about to attend ( to tell you in other terms that you're not doing a good enough job). You're having to ring and apologise to family members that their loved one has fallen and broken her hip, whilst withstanding abuse and being threatened with negligence, knowing there's nothing you could do to prevent that fall. You work a 15 hour shift instead of a 12 hour shift because of the fall completing all the correct paperwork to protect your nursing pin. Your Mrs is asking why you're home so late and why your dinner hasn't been eaten which was prepared for your lunch at work. You're drained, your staff are crying, and you're being shouted at by nursing managers and relatives as to why this fall has happened. Whilst you're sorting out the falls paperwork in the office, another patient stands up and smashes his head on the table in the corridor unsupervised and your only support worker in a team of 10 patients has been punched in the face. You're an acute admissions ward so you have another 8 patients in Accident and Emergency who are waiting to be transferred to your unit. You're then having the pressure's of discharging the patients who are to go home, and transfer patients on your ward who are stable to go to other wards (where there are empty beds). You're discharging patients home who you full well know aren't safe to go home, but you have no choice as you're getting pressure from management above because there are 140 patients to be seen in Accident and Emergency with 70 needing hospital beds. You have family members of those patients contacting the unit to blast you down the phone as to why their unwell Grandmother has been sent home too early. You are biting your tongue because you're in agreement with them, but cannot tell them that you've had no choice to send them home too soon due to pressures to discharge patients because sick patients in Accident and Emergency desperately need a bed on your unit for urgent medical treatment.

When these sick patients are transferred to you from Accident and Emergency, they are septic, haven't had any antibiotics for 15 hours are extremely unwell. So you have to neglect the falls paperwork or end the phone call with the angry relative of the patient you've sent home too early and deal with the sick patient who's severely septic, hasn't passed urine for 15 hours has a heart rate of 130, a blood pressure of 70/40 and a temperature of 39.4.

Sad part is, you have to get up the next day and do it all over again.

I don't think some actually realise how bad it is for Nurses on the wards. Striking is to save the nhs, improve waiting times and patient safety/care. Improving the nursing salaries would be a step in the right direction to improve that.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top