Motion - the country is completely broken

You might be right, but a decade is a long time.

It is.

The polls consistently show a solid majority who regret leaving the EU, so the public are almost there, the only thing stopping them from getting there is our politics.

But our politics is shot to bits, we're heading into a prolonged recession, precedent is no guide now, it's possible we could witness the complete destruction of the Tory party and things could move very fast indeed.
 
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MMPR is what we need. Mixed member proportional representation. I know it's not going to happen soon and when it finally arrives it will take a few GE's for it to be accepted by Joe Public.
 
I'm a nurse, and have been for 8 years. Was a band 7 in a management role at Leeds teaching hospitals - which is a very good trust compared to most.

I recently handed my notice in and I now work for a few private agencies at 4 or 5 different hospitals. Better pay, better working conditions and I can pick and choose when and where I work and negotiate my hourly rate at some places (will help me get to every MCFC match). There's only so much you can take really.
Imagine you go into work and 4 staff haven't turned up - 2 of your substantive members of staff have phoned in sick due to yesterdays stressful shift. The safe (minimum) numbers are 12 (for a 30 bedded acute admissions unit), but you've now only got 8 (3 nurses and 5 support workers). The ward across the corridor are only on 5 and the ward next to you are on 4, so you're then asked to send your extra 2 you have to those other wards so you're now on 6 (2 nurses and 4 support workers). You can't fight it, you have to send your extra to the other wards as you've no choice. You've got 5 extremely sick patients, you've got 2 2:1's (aggressive patients trying to punch your staff) and 5 very high falls risks who are on falls sensors because you don't have the staff to watch them.
You have 5 agency staff who are getting paid triple what you are with nowhere near the same responsibility as you and only have 1 substantive members of staff who know the unit well (clinical support workers and nurses). A lady falls and it turns out she fractures her hip. You have to write a statement of what happened, gather other staffs statements to sort out for a future root cause analysis and an impending falls panel meeting you're about to attend ( to tell you in other terms that you're not doing a good enough job). You're having to ring and apologise to family members that their loved one has fallen and broken her hip, whilst withstanding abuse and being threatened with negligence, knowing there's nothing you could do to prevent that fall. You work a 15 hour shift instead of a 12 hour shift because of the fall completing all the correct paperwork to protect your nursing pin. Your Mrs is asking why you're home so late and why your dinner hasn't been eaten which was prepared for your lunch at work. You're drained, your staff are crying, and you're being shouted at by nursing managers and relatives as to why this fall has happened. Whilst you're sorting out the falls paperwork in the office, another patient stands up and smashes his head on the table in the corridor unsupervised and your only support worker in a team of 10 patients has been punched in the face. You're an acute admissions ward so you have another 8 patients in Accident and Emergency who are waiting to be transferred to your unit. You're then having the pressure's of discharging the patients who are to go home, and transfer patients on your ward who are stable to go to other wards (where there are empty beds). You're discharging patients home who you full well know aren't safe to go home, but you have no choice as you're getting pressure from management above because there are 140 patients to be seen in Accident and Emergency with 70 needing hospital beds. You have family members of those patients contacting the unit to blast you down the phone as to why their unwell Grandmother has been sent home too early. You are biting your tongue because you're in agreement with them, but cannot tell them that you've had no choice to send them home too soon due to pressures to discharge patients because sick patients in Accident and Emergency desperately need a bed on your unit for urgent medical treatment.

When these sick patients are transferred to you from Accident and Emergency, they are septic, haven't had any antibiotics for 15 hours are extremely unwell. So you have to neglect the falls paperwork or end the phone call with the angry relative of the patient you've sent home too early and deal with the sick patient who's severely septic, hasn't passed urine for 15 hours has a heart rate of 130, a blood pressure of 70/40 and a temperature of 39.4.

Sad part is, you have to get up the next day and do it all over again.

I don't think some actually realise how bad it is for Nurses on the wards. Striking is to save the nhs, improve waiting times and patient safety/care. Improving the nursing salaries would be a step in the right direction to improve that.

Ward work is the toughest for sure, and is seriously underfunded and understaffed. Mrs MB is a band 7 CNS, it’s hard in other ways but her department is well funded and well staffed but deeply inefficient. She’s done her hard time as a band 5 on various wards (MFE, surgical and hem) and it’s crazy, some of the stories have me crying with laughter especially on MFE, she loved it but her passion was always palliative (she’s doing a site specific role currently). AMU was best for transferring patients to the wards, yeah they’re fine, no special needs…and you get a senile patient who spends the rest of the shift either trying to escape or pee in the ear of another patient. And don’t get her started about full moons!

I do have a bit of sympathy for the government in that the NHS is very well funded and poorly run in some areas and dreadfully underfunded and well run in others.

Good luck in your new role - it’s a shame that you can earn so much better being outside the trust but you don’t owe them anything and you’ve done your time.
 
There should be a general strike until the Govt calls a General Election at which point all parties can put forward their manifesto and we can switch off and switch back on the country - new Govt to pass legislation on true PR- one person one vote that counts - and we go again and by next summer the country has what its population wants.

V2.0 by next summer the country will be ablaze and like with the countries debt we will find Rishi Sunak forgot to insure it
The problem is, nobody reads manifestos. I bet even hard core tory members would be suprised at what they voted for at the last election.

Come an election, MP's from all sides spout the reference points that will grab the headlines, but there is never any detailed analysis of the finer points that really set out their objectives appearing in tne MSM. which often have more impact on our daily lives than the headline grabbing policies do.

As for a general strike, we had the winter of discontent in the late 70's, when public sector employees were so fed up with their lot, everyone, from grave diggers, fire fighters, refuse collectors, you name them, downed tools. They had been pushed too far, with high inflation and lowering wages, and they had had enough.

The difference between then and now is the tories gained power in 1979 iand immediately adresssed the situation by granting substantial pay rises to public sector workers to stop the chaos.

That solution isn't going to happen any time soon under this government. It's ridiculous they aren't in any sort of dialogue with union, or other, representatives, and what's even more frustrating is hearing agreements being made between, say, the train companies and their employees being rejected out of hand by the government without any sort of discussion between the two sides. There can never be a compromise if they aren't talking to each other.

The power of stikes does have an impact if enough people do it. United we stand, divided we fall, and we have been too quiet for too long in accepting our lot and just getting on with things. The cost of living crises has brought into focus just how far living standards for the average family has fallen over the last decade or so, which is at odds with the pay and bonuses for CEO's and directors which are at an all time high and continuing to increase.

We live in the 5th (6th) most prosperous country on Earth, but for most people, they may as well be living in central America such is their standard of living. Even middle income earners would have a higher standard of living if they moved to Poland or Slovakia.

It's time our wealth was divided out more equitably, and if that was to happen, the need for strikes would disappear.

It's up to the politicians to recognise that and implement fiscal policies that will achieve it, whichever side they represent.

I have no problem with the strikes at the moment. It remains to be seen if they achieve anything.
 
it makes me fucking furious that nobody And I mean nobody is holding this government to account. Challenge from the media? From the opposition? Pathetic. We may as well live in a dictatorship.

We are on the 5th Prime Minister since the Brexit vote outcome, having had 2 additional general elections called. There were chances to change it. Including David Camerom who won it on a promise of that referendum, that's 3 times the general public voted for Brexit over a government. People's choice.
 
We are on the 5th Prime Minister since the Brexit vote outcome, having had 2 additional general elections called. There were chances to change it. Including David Camerom who won it on a promise of that referendum, that's 3 times the general public voted for Brexit over a government. People's choice.
There have been no general elections since the implications of Brexit became clear. Neither was there a credible opposition fighting to stop it. I’m not sure either how that is relevant to the initial point I was trying to make around holding the government to account for their mess across the board.
 
There have been no general elections since the implications of Brexit became clear. Neither was there a credible opposition fighting to stop it. I’m not sure either how that is relevant to the initial point I was trying to make around holding the government to account for their mess across the board.

Both true. I don't disagree that nobody is properly holding them to account. But calling it an almost dictatorship, although the point is loosely there, is a stretch imo. The public have played their part here.
 
We are on the 5th Prime Minister since the Brexit vote outcome, having had 2 additional general elections called. There were chances to change it. Including David Camerom who won it on a promise of that referendum, that's 3 times the general public voted for Brexit over a government. People's choice.
If you mean by changing it, avoiding leaving the EU, that (imo) would have been disastrous, in many ways more disastrous than the consequences we are now bearing witness to. It would certainly have been even more divisive, and once the die was cast we had to (imo) see it through and deal with the consequences, which we now are.

The fact you’ve cited five PM’s in six years is quite telling, given the 37 years that preceded it, a time of pretty much constant economic growth and political stability (within the EU), had exactly the same number.

The people’s choice to which you refer has unleashed forces of chaos and uncertainty which has left us poorly equipped to deal with the challenges that the whole of the western world has faced in recent years, and will continue to do do.

The people chose, and it’s absolutely correct that choice was honoured, but don’t be surprised when people who stridently opposed it feel compelled to point out the predictions they made at the time have become reality, especially when that reality is having such a profound effect on this country and its future standing in the world.
 
We will be back in in ten years n my opinion. I don't know anyone under 30 who voted for it. Most of those I know that did are old and don't like Germans for the obvious. The rest, thick or racist or both.
I don't know what age you consider as old. I am 64 and I didn't vote for brexit, in fact I said to anyone who would listen, that it was a bad idea.
In the 70's when the U.K. entered the common market, we were in a bad place as a nation. Entering the common market (albeit slightly reluctantly) improved the U.K.s position, made us stronger. Anyone of my age should remember those days and have voted accordingly.
I am English, European forever.
So please don't lump all of us 'old' people in the same bracket.
 
Both true. I don't disagree that nobody is properly holding them to account. But calling it an almost dictatorship, although the point is loosely there, is a stretch imo. The public have played their part here.
Not since voting in Johnson they haven’t. Enough has happened since then for a government that had even the slightest hint of integrity to go back for a proper mandate. What Johnson promised at the last election is not what we have. Nobody voted for the policies of Truss or Sunac. From that perspective we may as well be a dictatorship. That’s without even going near the Scottish question.
 
Not since voting in Johnson they haven’t. Enough has happened since then for a government that had even the slightest hint of integrity to go back for a proper mandate. What Johnson promised at the last election is not what we have. Nobody voted for the policies of Truss or Sunac. From that perspective we may as well be a dictatorship. That’s without even going near the Scottish question.
How anyone could characterise our system in a positive light is completely beyond me. It’s arguably undemocratic and without question dysfunctional.
 
Not since voting in Johnson they haven’t. Enough has happened since then for a government that had even the slightest hint of integrity to go back for a proper mandate. What Johnson promised at the last election is not what we have. Nobody voted for the policies of Truss or Sunac. From that perspective we may as well be a dictatorship. That’s without even going near the Scottish question.
It will never happen. Why should they? 70+ seat majority. Do what they like. They know they will be completely wiped out if they call a GE so not going to happen.

They are relying on short memories and a right wing media to change things around in two years time.
 

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