Motion - the country is completely broken

Didsbury Dave said:
One has already lead the country to ruin.

Who are you going to vote for then?
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Won’t make a difference in my case either way. I live in what is probably the safest Tory seat in the country. I’ll probably trash my ballot.

The “opposition” seem to agree with the government on most important issues, or at least only disagree superficially. Two cheeks of the same backside.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The last constituency I lived in, Birmingham Ladywood, the sitting Labour MP, Shabana Mahmood, who is a half decent MP tbf, gets about 80% of the vote! 80% ffs. Have usually voted Green and Lib Dem in elections there, will probably vote Libdem here, but it’s a complete waste of fucking time.

As you say, it’s a complete fucking joke, and no, turkeys ain’t voting for Christmas.
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25% turnout at the recent Urmston by-election. And a new member of Parliament was duly elected. Funny how MPs don’t apply the 50% threshold that strike action requires.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I'll not be voting Labour come the next election, though I suspect not for the same reasons as you.

When you state......



You've no idea whether Labour will be grossly incompetent, I've no idea whether they'll be competent or not, nobody knows.

I worked with a government department from 2001 to 2017. I'm no fan of Blair and Brown but they were political Titans compared to this lot and on the whole government worked, there were the odd ministerial scandals, but that government was a paragon of virtue and a well oiled machine compared to this shambles.

Competence has nothing to do with policy. When you make a statement like grossly incompetent that's your politics showing, nothing more.
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You can judge the party by its MPs, and there are barely a handful that I have any confidence in whatsoever. They’re incompetent in opposition, so I’m not sure how you can expect anything different if they were to gain power.

Blair remains still the worst PM in my lifetime by a very long distance. His government was anything but virtuous. It was deceitful and morally bankrupt. His cataclysmic wars destroyed an entire region and resulted in over a million people dead.
 
Homar said:
Won’t make a difference in my case either way. I live in what is probably the safest Tory seat in the country. I’ll probably trash my ballot.

The “opposition” seem to agree with the government on most important issues, or at least only disagree superficially. Two cheeks of the same backside.
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Homar said:
You can judge the party by its MPs, and there are barely a handful that I have any confidence in whatsoever. They’re incompetent in opposition, so I’m not sure how you can expect anything different if they were to gain power.

Blair remains still the worst PM in my lifetime by a very long distance. His government was anything but virtuous. It was deceitful and morally bankrupt. His cataclysmic wars destroyed an entire region and resulted in over a million people dead.
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You don’t rate anyone from any party ever and you’re so clever you don’t even vote. Are you some kind of omnipotent being? What job do you have? It must be something enormous to be as all knowing and all seeing as you.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Given where you live now why did you vote Leave? What persuaded you?
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I felt that we couldn’t continue with freedom of movement - that the rates of immigration were unsustainable. I didn’t foresee the economic decline that we’re experiencing.
 
Homar said:
You can judge the party by its MPs, and there are barely a handful that I have any confidence in whatsoever. They’re incompetent in opposition, so I’m not sure how you can expect anything different if they were to gain power.

Blair remains still the worst PM in my lifetime by a very long distance. His government was anything but virtuous. It was deceitful and morally bankrupt. His cataclysmic wars destroyed an entire region and resulted in over a million people dead.
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Blair worse than Truss? Ooookaaay.....
 
johnnytapia said:
I felt that we couldn’t continue with freedom of movement - that the rates of immigration were unsustainable. I didn’t foresee the economic decline that we’re experiencing.
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Nor the current boom in immigration? Higher than ever just not from the EU? Did you attribute that prediction to Project Fear?
 
Trashing your most important trade agreement damages your country's economy. Who could possibly have predicted that?

BTW, we never could be arsed to implement the controls over EU immigration that EU law allowed and still allows. Too much trouble for our bone-idle, incompetent ruling class, who are only good at filling their own pockets and fucking useless at running a modern country. No doubt because of their 19th Century education focused on classics and similar pointless shite.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Nor the current boom in immigration? Higher than ever just not from the EU? Did you attribute that prediction to Project Fear?
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No, I looked at net migration, which was running at circa +200k per annum (majority of whom were EU nationals) and felt that wasn’t sustainable.
I felt, economically, that leaving the EU wouldn’t be the cataclysmic disaster it’s proven to be.
Whether we’ll return or whether there’ll be another referendum... on verra.
 
johnnytapia said:
No, I looked at net migration, which was running at circa +200k per annum (majority of whom were EU nationals) and felt that wasn’t sustainable.
I felt, economically, that leaving the EU wouldn’t be the cataclysmic disaster it’s proven to be.
Whether we’ll return or whether there’ll be another referendum... on verra.
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After the vote, we absolutely had to leave, and I can’t see us rejoining anytime this decade (although never say never!).

We’ve got to try and make the most of it, it’s just a crying shame that our institutions and political class are pitifully equipped to do so.
 
Homar said:
You can judge the party by its MPs, and there are barely a handful that I have any confidence in whatsoever. They’re incompetent in opposition, so I’m not sure how you can expect anything different if they were to gain power.

Blair remains still the worst PM in my lifetime by a very long distance. His government was anything but virtuous. It was deceitful and morally bankrupt. His cataclysmic wars destroyed an entire region and resulted in over a million people dead.
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Blairs time in power was the greatest period of legislation to benefit the population since the period after the two world wars....his legacy however will be Iraq.

The Tories have never and will never even come close to this.

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johnnytapia said:
I felt that we couldn’t continue with freedom of movement - that the rates of immigration were unsustainable. I didn’t foresee the economic decline that we’re experiencing.
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Everybody told you that immigration would go up and that the economy would be damaged. Those two points, and the danger to the Union, were the main thrust of the remain campaign. You just chose not to listen.
 
Just in the park had to help a woman who had broke her ankle, fire service called to help get her upto a car to get her to a hospital as ambulance wait is 13 hours!! She would’ve died of hypothermia by then.
 
johnnytapia said:
No, I looked at net migration, which was running at circa +200k per annum (majority of whom were EU nationals) and felt that wasn’t sustainable.
I felt, economically, that leaving the EU wouldn’t be the cataclysmic disaster it’s proven to be.
Whether we’ll return or whether there’ll be another referendum... on verra.
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The UK didn't subscribe to Freedom of Movement tho..... only Freedom of Movement of Labour. Our ability to control this always lay in the hands of the Government (as Cameron was told when he asked for a handbrake on immigration)

They could've solved the problem but chose not to as their end game was always to blame and pull us out of the Europe Union
 
BrianW said:
Trashing your most important trade agreement damages your country's economy. Who could possibly have predicted that?

BTW, we never could be arsed to implement the controls over EU immigration that EU law allowed and still allows. Too much trouble for our bone-idle, incompetent ruling class, who are only good at filling their own pockets and fucking useless at running a modern country. No doubt because of their 19th Century education focused on classics and similar pointless shite.
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Ita vero
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Everybody told you that immigration would go up and that the economy would be damaged. Those two points, and the danger to the Union, were the main thrust of the remain campaign. You just chose not to listen.
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I listened to many people and read many opinions. Having deliberated and thought long and carefully, I felt voting Leave would be the correct choice.
 
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