Indeed, it appears that there is a lot of misinformation swirling around about the potential path of proceedings…I don't agree with that at all. And there is no High Court route. The only appeal is another PL Panel. So lets hope I am right!
So we are being zipped up backwards basically because we can’t take ‘em to court, it’ll just be another PL panel that will back up the previous PL Panel who backed up the PL in the first place.I don't agree with that at all. And there is no High Court route. The only appeal is another PL Panel. So lets hope I am right!
Honestly I don't see any way these allegations are heard in the High Court - skirmishes perhaps but not the main event. We are stuck with the PL rules I think. But I think there is a good chance this makes it harder not easier for the PL to find against us. But that is quite a big guess.Yea let’s hope so! But, I find it inconceivable, largely for the reasons you state, that there’s no way to get this case into the mainstream legal system if it doesn’t go our way.. The stakes are high and the quality of our legal team will create an angle. If nothing else it is contrary to the rules of natural justice
All that said I am conscious when people know stuff enter than me, so not doubting you
If only…Top, top, top read!
This article needs to flood the media outlets including the socials.
No it is still balance of probabilities. But the evidence needs to be "more cogent"
Explained here https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/proving-fraud-english-courts-higher-standard
Any which way the lawyers will be happy :)Honestly I don't see any way these allegations are heard in the High Court - skirmishes perhaps but not the main event. We are stuck with the PL rules I think. But I think there is a good chance this makes it harder not easier for the PL to find against us. But that is quite a big guess.
No idea if they’re fake, maybe they’re real, but with der Speigels track record, would anyone be surprised if these were doctored?That's all well and good and DS reporting is the lowest of the low. But it's the documents that will be looked at and the Mancini docs are comprehensive:
FWIW these can't be a big problem because the numbers are so small in the context of the big picture.
PL have to prove themShame.
Are we at the stage now that we have to disprove the charge to the balance of probabilities or that the PL have to prove them.
Dishonest concealment leading to false accounts. But I don't know. I am guessing because, unfairly in my view, the PL think it is acceptable just to issue a list of charges like it was just a bad foul in a meaningless match.So, "dishonest concealment" rather than falsifying accounts. So many terms where the explanations all sound very similar in my view. Well, as long as we can settle on what it is, we are getting somewhere.
What about the worst case scenario and draconian sanctions against the club. Surely we could go legally through the courts with such a scenario?Honestly I don't see any way these allegations are heard in the High Court - skirmishes perhaps but not the main event. We are stuck with the PL rules I think. But I think there is a good chance this makes it harder not easier for the PL to find against us. But that is quite a big guess.
What other team?As a fan of another team, I find this very interesting. But what strikes me after reading a lot of this thread is that there's a lot of blame-game going on here. I've read a lot of blame towards other clubs, the FA and PL, but very few, if any, are talking about the real case and the substance in the accusations. If there's done something wrong, which the enquiry will find out, surely there has to be consequences?
Honestly I don't see any way these allegations are heard in the High Court - skirmishes perhaps but not the main event. We are stuck with the PL rules I think. But I think there is a good chance this makes it harder not easier for the PL to find against us. But that is quite a big guess.
Not according to the rules and agreements we have signed as a member and shareholder of the PLWhat about the worst case scenario and draconian sanctions against the club. Surely we could go legally through the courts with such a scenario?
So the earlier Tweet from Martin Lipton referencing High and Supreme Court is nonsense?I don't agree with that at all. And there is no High Court route. The only appeal is another PL Panel. So lets hope I am right!
I’ll be more careful expressing options when it’s your time of the month in future, ****.
A 4 billion pound company being told that they must satisfy a 3 man committee in 14 days to stay solvent? I'm thinking not.Two weeks to respond to 101 charges based on 10 years of accounts including broad allegations that we have presented false accounts for nine periods in a row? From an organisation which apparently briefed the media even before they served us with the charges yesterday. This really is a set-up.
Save to the extent that the Panel members may have their own biases, I think you should assume quality arbitrators are objective and will deal with it fairly. But even in the Courts, litigation risk is always high. Few cases have merits confidently over 70%Much less confident now.
The PL is essentially judge, jury and executioner. Not sure how we get an impartial hearing when the PL get to mark their own homework and no court of the land can oversee it.