PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Saddleworth2 said:
They know we will be fine because?

Can you give a little more detail for those of us who don't have access to the club and for whom this is affecting their mental health.
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It’s affecting mine too mate.

Gotta keep in mind though that if Tolm revealed too much, the club might clock it and we’d lose access to him altogether.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
Good post that pal.

I think if you lived in or around Manchester rival stuff would bother you, it would grate on your nerves listening to gobshite armchair United and Liverpool fans rubbing it in that we're cheats. It's different on social media where you can block or ignore someone but in the the street the workplace or pub it often goes beyond rival banter, especially when people can't handle their drink and cocky bravado kicks in.

I have previously worked all over the UK and met many fans of other clubs, mostly been a good football conversation and friendly banter but I've met the occasional loudmouth knobhead dishing all the oil money plastic club no fans jibes. I wouldn't mind but most of the gobby ones have never been or rarely go to watch their team live.

I know lot's of reds and have quite a few good mates who follow United. We hardly talk football but if we do it's always civilised conversation with a bit of added banter for good measure.


But, I'm not sure i can be as friendly and calm to piss-taking idiots I don't know brandishing us cheats. I don't attract much trouble but there's always a village idiot on the wind up about. It's been a long time since i gave someone a crack over football but when i can no longer reason or don't want to because i don't want to hear their hateful shit spewing from their foaming gobs i may have to pull my shoulder back and swing it in someone's mush if they won't take fuck off you red **** for an answer. I'm not a violent bloke though so that's a last resort of snapping which i feel I'm getting towards.
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It’s a fair point about not being able to see and avoid over there, especially Utd. I wrote this before but I’ve taken no shit whatsoever from my many friends here (American and otherwise) who follow rivals. In fact, most all of them were downright empathetic. But most of them also read a lot, and they’re just as distrustful of the football hierarchy as we are (not the cartel — the Prem and especially the refs which so many see as far worse than in American sport).
 
Does Simon Jordan ever attend games at the Etihad?
I see Simons been very forthright in his views about our club whilst protected in his cosy radio studio, I think one or two blues would be interested in having a open & frank discussion about matters face to face :-)
 
What about if we highlight that the PL is inconsistent in its application of the rules depending on who is deemed to have broken them?

For example, when the United and Liverpool game was called off all due to Manchester United not being able to 'control its supporters'. This is in breach of the rulebook but absolutely nothing happened as a result.

Also, this rule is never adhered to by ANY club ...

L.20.
In every League Match each participating Club shall field a full strength team.
 
J.G.Blue. said:
Does Simon Jordan ever attend games at the Etihad?
I see Simons been very forthright in his views about our club whilst protected in his cosy radio studio, I think one or two blues would be interested in having a open & frank discussion about matters face to face :-)
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I think we need a rogue’s gallery of journo pictures on here so we can put faces to names..
 
Eds said:
I am pretty sure that if we had to we could take it to the high court, maybe someone else can confirm this. That said I am very confident that we won’t have to appeal as the PL have Jack shit on us.
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Manchester_lalala said:
If it goes to a fair Independent court, I’m confident we’ll get off without anything major. I just don’t trust this Arsenal fan leading the case for the PL and he gets to choose his team.
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Any independent court, including the high court, will question why the PL investigation and subsequent hearing was conducted by those with a vested interest.
In the meantime, have we given up hope? My season card still shows Arsenal in the cup as the next game.
 
M18CTID said:
This has only really come about because of the Der Spiegel articles and the hacked e-mails. UEFA opened their investigation, and the Premier League opened theirs seemingly off the back of the UEFA one. I think most of us thought - understandably - that when we won at CAS that that would also be the end of the PL investigation. However, it appears that certain clubs have been pressuring the PL into continuing to pursue this and it's kind of snowballed from there with a raft of charges that encompass far more issues and seasons than UEFA had us up on, even pre-dating the implementation of both UEFA and PL FFP, such as the Mancini stuff for example. What I find most surprising is that they've also chucked in all the stuff that UEFA eventually lost on at CAS - after that verdict I didn't think that the PL would want to touch any of that with a bargepole but I suppose they're winging that one in the hope of getting a different verdict to what we got at CAS.

I'm as certain as I can be that without the lobbying of certain clubs who shall remain, cough cough, unnamed, this wouldn't have gone anywhere. No doubt they'll have also chucked in threats about reviving the Super League idea for good measure in order to shit the PL up into doing something.
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So say IF the dippers and rags were fiddling the books the pl would only look into if other clubs tipped them of ?

The people from the dippers and rags on the pl board would investigate their own club !
 
Holcombe bloo said:
All these big clubs out to get us! Imagine for a second if we’d actually done something really bad, you know like actually illegal, they’d finish us on the spot! Such as;
murdering 39 innocent fans.
rioting at our own stadium causing damage and injury to staff and police.
hacking a rival database
fixing league games
actaul false accounts that avoided tax not paying more!

Any fanny wipes out there with any negativity to our own club- STOP AND THINK ABOUT IT WE HAVE BROKEN NOT A SINGLE LAW, JUST SLIGHTLY OVER INVESTED IN A PREVIOUSLY UNDERINVESTED TEAM, WHILST TRANSFORMING A DEPRIVED AREA!
sStick with the club , whatever the outcome xxx
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Oh and PS attacking press or anyone else please , that what they want!
just spit at them, Jamie and sky say that’s perfectly fine, just apologise afterwards, no probs …..
 
Saddleworth2 said:
They know we will be fine because?

Can you give a little more detail for those of us who don't have access to the club and for whom this is affecting their mental health.
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Hi fella,

Just remember this will pass, it’s hard given how emotionally entangled we are with our club for it not to impact mental health when it seems so unfair given the origin of FFP. But this ain’t worth letting it get you too down. We’ve got one hell of a board behind us but whatever the outcome you will still be a blue. With memories and experiences other clubs could only have dreamed of. this is all part of being a city fan, ups and downs are in the fabric of this club. Smile whenever a rag or dipper give you grief, it could be worse you could be them.

deep breath in chest out, be proud

remember we’ve seen things they’ll never see.

it’ll be reet, it always is!
 
Gone for a Burton said:
100 charges, EXACTLY 100.

Not 92 or 78 or 86 or 109.

EXACTLY 100.

How coincidental, how symmetrical.

How much planning,scheming and manipulation went into arriving at EXACTLY 100.

Clear & Obvious !!
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112 ain't it to the exact number, headlines just say over 100 as a hundred sounds dramatic
 
Agueroooo9320 said:
I can't believe you could be so wrong @projectriver . not sure if you are simply misinterpreting the questions people asking you or you are misinterpreting the rulebook. I hope it is the former. Look in the same page you have posted under section X.4. where they speak about the dispute with the panel's decision. and if you move a couple of pages from the above section you end up in section X.37 where they speak about challenging the decision in english high court.

ofcourse you are correct in the fact that the whole hearing will not take place with the court. but the court can indeed look at the facts that were used to make the final decision and make its own findings regarding that.
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It expressly says "Subject to the provisions of sections 67 to 71 of the Act, the award shall be final and binding on the parties and there shall be no right of appeal. There shall be no right of appeal on a point of law under section 69 of the Act." So that leaves s67,68,70 and 71 of the Arbitration Act as routes to appeal to the courts.

67 is substantive jurisdiction https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/23/section/67
68 is serious irregularity https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/23/section/68
70/71 are supplementary (basically process) provisions relating to 67 and 68

So, the ONLY realistic route to end up in the Courts is serious irregularity. It is almost definitely not ending up in the courts.

Serious irregularity means an irregularity of one or more of the following kinds which the court considers has caused or will cause substantial injustice to the applicant—

(a)failure by the tribunal to comply with section 33 (general duty of tribunal);

(b)the tribunal exceeding its powers (otherwise than by exceeding its substantive jurisdiction: see section 67);

(c)failure by the tribunal to conduct the proceedings in accordance with the procedure agreed by the parties;

(d)failure by the tribunal to deal with all the issues that were put to it;

(e)any arbitral or other institution or person vested by the parties with powers in relation to the proceedings or the award exceeding its powers;

(f)uncertainty or ambiguity as to the effect of the award;

(g)the award being obtained by fraud or the award or the way in which it was procured being contrary to public policy;

(h)failure to comply with the requirements as to the form of the award; or

(i)any irregularity in the conduct of the proceedings or in the award which is admitted by the tribunal or by any arbitral or other institution or person vested by the parties with powers in relation to the proceedings or the award.
 
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