PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

The DT, presumably along with all the other hyenas from the rat press pack, are suggesting, having assumed that expulsion from the PL is just a formality, that the EFL will not be willing to welcome us! Do these people really understand what makes football tick, no matter what division we debate? MCFC have taken an away following that matches any team in the land. I suppose that every club in the division in which we start a season are gonna look to principle rather that the £20 or £30 coming through the turnstiles in their thousands.
 
Not clued up on this, but would any infraction of the law or rules have to meet a threshold before it could go to court, or is there a bit of leeway?
I am not entirely sure regarding this. but I suspect the court will itself make a decision if there is cause to our appeal
 
Are you suggesting a panel of Phil Thompson, Daniel Levy and the GPC won’t be impartial?
Exactly.
The PL obviously feel strongly enough about impartiality with regards to referees not reffing teams they support but having a fan of a team that will hugely benefit from City being 'out of the picture' is completely fair as a ref for this yes?

Who's paying this guy by the way?
 
Don't worry he shall return one day in glory.
I absolutely see him as a manager of City one day. IF this current scenario goes against us in any way then I would assume based on Pep’s previous comments he would most likely be off. If we then lose players and need a medium team rebuild I think Vincent would be a superb appointment, although obviously I hope this situation is resolved without points being deducted and Pep stays
 
The DT, presumably along with all the other hyenas from the rat press pack, are suggesting, having assumed that expulsion from the PL is just a formality, that the EFL will not be willing to welcome us! Do these people really understand what makes football tick, no matter what division we debate? MCFC have taken an away following that matches any team in the land. I suppose that every club in the division in which we start a season are gonna look to principle rather that the £20 or £30 coming through the turnstiles in their thousands.
I think the wider press are getting a bit carried away with themselves. They're reading deliberately vague open ended rules to come up with quite fanciful conclusions.
 
As a measure of how impenetrable this stuff is for laymen Col, I’ve been readping that post for about 20 minutes and I still don’t understand it!
Bottom line, does it mean we’ve acted illegally/dishonestly, are we fucked, and what would be an appropriate/likely punishment?
It's really wrong for people to keep calling these accusations illegal, especially on the part of the media who have been very careful to avoid drawing themselves into libelling city. City have done nothing illegal nor are accused of anything that is actually by definition illegal. The only thing that city have done allegedly wrong is in the context of the UEFA/PL rulebook which actually has no place in law.

Those rulebooks are drawn up by supposedly independent sports people who decide what the rules are based upon what they want to achieve. What they want to achieve by those rules is perhaps the most important question. This is why city have been charged by a sports body and the case will not be brought to a court but rather to a private hearing with the league's representatives. The good part of that is any outcome is possible as the league financially benefits massively from city/ADUG so they'll find balance difficult. We could well be charged with 100 things and found guilty but get no punishment at all.

In law terms, the league have already made massive mistakes in not communicating and even changing the charges brought against city which was seen in that statement. This in real life and real law would be a case breaker in itself as you can't serve multiple charges and change them as you see fit to achieve a look in the media.

City will likely take the end result to a real court to not only attack any decision on competitive grounds but they'll also challenge the rulebook on common law grounds which is how they appealed the UEFA charges at CAS. UEFA had to tone down their FFP rules in direct response to these legal challenges.

Anyone who really thinks that UEFA or the Premier League make these rules to ensure there is proper financial fair play are ridiculously mistaken. The rulebook was created as a form of control and to stifle the type of competition which threatens the established clubs because of the free market that clubs have to operate within. These big clubs have considerable influence and when their voice is added together they represent something bigger to protect than city.

It's ironic though because these clubs would destroy the free market in a heartbeat and most of the clubs bleating on about city wanted to create a European Super League to do just that. How many clubs were punished harshly for that? None, not a single one. They weren't punished because the league and UEFA would financially suffer because of the clubs involved so no action was taken, it's a complete joke.

The other clubs aren't rosy in comparison to us by any stretch either because just look at the ownership models of the likes of United and Liverpool. They have ultimate parent companies registered in places like Delaware and the Cayman Islands... How many grass roots clubs benefit from United being registered in the Cayman Islands to avoid tax? Financial fair play..... Really?
 
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But none of this stuff they’re constantly talking about makes it real or means it will come to pass, nor are we in Real Madrid’s position. They’re like the rags or dippers, able to bully whoever they want because of their media establishment ties. The other side is that neutrals are beginning to see this campaign as the witch hunt it is. There’s very little respect for the gutter media from your average Joe in this country. If we we’re arguing with everything they said openly or inferred, we’d never stop and it would drag us down to their level. There will come a time when this is over and we get our hit. I just hope football hasn’t morphed into the super league when that time comes.
As soon as this was announced, the ESL Super League became inevitable. I think a lot of the posts on here give the PL way too much credit. They were a hastily assembled mish mash of dinner guests ready to be served the Golden Goose of TV rights.
In comparison to UEFA they are far less capable, more disorganised and extremely incompetent. The real power is with the media companies who not only control the PL but also the massively skewed narrative we are seeing in the press.
The PL make up the rules as they go along and a lot of the charges (which are little more than mud slinging) invoke rules that hadn't been written at the times the offenses are alleged to have taken place.
When Vinny said he 'rolled his eyes' at the news, it is because he knows the whole industry is corrupt and trying to find a scapegoat.
I know a bit about Football Governance from first hand experience and it is rotten to the core. The ESL will be a sad by product of this whole stinking mess.
 
I honestly cannot understand why at this stage the PL went public with the charges and briefed the media before informing us. Surely they would go public after we've had a chance to reply?

Saw some Villa fans yesterday explaining that they have been affected most as they were a solid top 6 club and pushing for top 4 every year and then we came along and ruined it.
And this is the essence of much of the shit and shite that has poured through the RDAHMeedya for well over ten years, and it will be at the behest of those shitehawk clubs who feel they have missed out because of our success that Uefa and the PL have followed this course. Greed, envy, jealousy, leagues dominated behind the scenes by a handful of clubs, in which we would never be welcome? Take yer pick.
 
Pretty much yes. But image rights are deemed to be personal to players and separate to their wages/bonuses. HMRC have a general rule hat about 10% of their total remuneration to be paid in this way, to their own personal companies rather than on a PAYE basis.

As an example, let's say someone is a photographer and an employee of a company that does commercial & wedding photography. He buys the right to do all the wedding photography and pays his employer a sum of money for that right. The money he earns in that way still goes to his employer initially, but they pay it to him gross, which he than has to account for and pay any tax on. Whereas his wages for the employer's main commercial photography business is paid to him as normal salary, with tax & NI deducted at source.

City also moved a number of employees into two subsidiary companies (City Football Services and City Football Marketing). They were paid through these companies but they were loss-making, needing constant injections of cash. That was seen by some as an attempt to move costs off the books but those businesses cross-charged the various CFG clubs for their services, on a pro-rata basis. Obviously most of the charge fell to City but it went through our books, as Other Operating Expenses though, instead of Wages. Also UEFA included those companies in wht it called the 'Reporting Perimeter'. That meant we had to include their results in our FFP submission, with any double-charging cancelled out.
Credit where it’s due, you are a clever bloke
 
he has not taking your optimism away. you are misinterpreting his analysis. he is saying we cannot simply argue the punishment is too sever as long as it is in the agreed rules. we can though argue that the rules are not correctly applied as we agreed to. as long as we have a strong "serious" case. there is a difference to these two.
Cheers. Any good news is welcome. I started off thinking our club Will successful oppose this & win. But day by day that optimism is being eroded - the media does that!! The latest being that our transfer strategy is now going to be wiped out too!!

It’s hard being a blue but I’ll keep thinking about how I was at Gillingham final :). :)
 
The DT, presumably along with all the other hyenas from the rat press pack, are suggesting, having assumed that expulsion from the PL is just a formality, that the EFL will not be willing to welcome us! Do these people really understand what makes football tick, no matter what division we debate? MCFC have taken an away following that matches any team in the land. I suppose that every club in the division in which we start a season are gonna look to principle rather that the £20 or £30 coming through the turnstiles in their thousands.
So glad I fucked off the DT in January. Click-bait wind up merchants.
 
I've just listened to sly sports ( I know I shouldnt) about whether, if it came to the worst and City were thrown out of the Premier League would they be accepted into the EFL. They reckon that the EFL probably wouldn't accept City, from what theve heard. The more you dig into it the more it looks as if they are threatening our very existence as a club. Our am I being over dramatic there.
They're all full of shit, imagine the media interest boost & crowds we'd bring the the EFL.
 

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