PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
If City are briefing that this can go all the way, I doubt it comes from the PR team, it comes from the very top who, I imagine, have been communicating with Pannick these last few months. That's good enough for me.
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I also don’t believe City would be so confident about clearing our name without having the chance to take the case to court. People can say City are always going to leak that they’re confident even if they weren’t, but the leaks so far from journalists close to City and from Tolmie have been almost as if they can’t wait for the outcome.
 
projectriver said:
No - the parties agreed to the rules freely having taken advice (or least being able to).
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Thanks for your time here Stefan, I’ve mentioned before about Mark Stephens comments re UEFA’s case, he actually addresses the above in the passage below :-

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Your comment seems to contradict his so I’m wondering what your seeing different to him here ?
 
i♥city said:
It's a bit of an apple and orange situation but take a look at Real Madrid and how they have always been proactive with issues regarding the image of the club and their players. Just recently, Vinicius was racially insulted again and RM went to court to ask for punishments for the club and their fans and to also ask for more protection for Vinicius. They weren't trying to single out the good batch from the bad batch as we tend to when the barbaric dippers assault us for the 9999.99th time, rather they wanted a punishment that would teach every and anyone associated with Mallorca a lesson.

We need to understand that sometimes being quite doesn't necessarily translate to being the bigger man or taking the high road, sometimes silence could give the wrong impression and most of those clueless dumbfucks commenting on that article are either interested in seeing their club reap where they haven't sown by picking up our trophies and players, while the other half are just sheeps that have been easily manipulated by the media.

Either way, we need to start being proactive. As it stands now we aren't even reactive just fucking docile. How long are we going to walk on eggshells? Shit like this comes up and instead of putting up a defiant strong image, we fall back while some bullshit clause about "Pep walking away if the club has been dishonest" is being talked about.
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That's funny coming from Real as from personal experience, most of Real fans I met are fucking nazis.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Undoubtedly, and maybe a slap on the wrist for the Mancini thing if it was just a technicality. Can't imagine the other issues will come to much, unless they have some damning evidence we don't know about, which I think is unlikely.

Then again we have no idea of the actual allegations apart from which rules were allegedly breached in which years. So it's difficult to say.
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Yeah, I expect there to be some that are at least arguable - I seem to remember that some of City's moves early in FFP hadn't been tried before in English football (e.g. the image rights sale).

As you say, it changes if there's a clear breach somewhere.

The long list suggested to me that some of this was an attempt to get a clear assessment on whether some things were in fact breaches of the regs, or just an acceptable way around them or not covered. The PL can't decide that themselves as they aren't qualified, so they get some experts to investigate and produce an answer.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Paid the salary directly to Mancini, or loaned the money to AJ to pay Mancini?
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The loan arrangement is probably more defensible. I have no idea what actually happened. However, those in the know at CFG feel confident they can defend this successfully. Let's hope they are right.
 
UsFansKnowNowt said:
Can we appeal?, Can we not appeal? Blah, Blah, Blah!

The reality is that whatever that rule book says to one person, it does not necessarily mean the same to another. Remember, this is the organisation who couldn't even get the charges correctly listed for a heralded press release.

When it comes to points of law, I would put my money on our legal team, rather than defending the work of some office clerk at the Premier League, who, at the league's inception, probably just cut and pasted most of that rule book from a copy of her local weight-watchers group.

Remember too, City have been here and done it previously. The Premier League haven't and it's their arses that will be squeeking when we get to the business wnd of this process, not ours!
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spot on lad
 
It’s never boring being a City fan is it? Just when you think you can relax or it’s getting a bit dull, they come up with the most over the top storylines you can possibly imagine. Not even joking, if this was a drama people would be complaining right now that the storylines were becoming too outrageous and unrealistic.

From relegations to league one, rivals winning the treble, last minute play off goals, back to back promotions, Thai ex prime ministers on the run and having their accounts frozen after taking over the club, to becoming ‘the richest club in the world’, to dethroning the rivals who mocked us so much, beating them 6-1 on their own pitch, coming back from 8 points behind with 5 games left, to scoring a 93:20 winning goal to beat the rivals to the title, to crazy court cases with UEFA and now the PL, with even the UK government potentially even becoming involved.

If you’ve seen City from the 80’s or 90’s and are old enough to remember all these times then I don’t believe there’s a football fan of any other club that has been close to what we’ve been through.

Maybe we wouldn’t have it any other way.
 
HelloCity said:
It’s never boring being a City fan is it? Just when you think you can relax or it’s getting a bit dull, they come up with the most over the top storylines you can possibly imagine. Not even joking, if this was a drama people would be complaining right now that the storylines were becoming too outrageous and unrealistic.

From relegations to league one, rivals winning the treble, last minute play off goals, back to back promotions, Thai ex prime ministers on the run and having their accounts frozen after taking over the club, to becoming ‘the richest club in the world’, to dethroning the rivals who mocked us so much, beating them 6-1 on their own pitch, coming back from 8 points behind with 5 games left, to scoring a 93:20 winning goal to beat the rivals to the title, to crazy court cases with UEFA and now the PL, with even the UK government potentially even becoming involved.

If you’ve seen City from the 80’s or 90’s and are old enough to remember all these times then I don’t believe there’s a football fan of any other club that has been close to what we’ve been through.

Maybe we wouldn’t have it any other way.
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God's own
 
Cant wait for the emirates next Weds. Going to be proper nawty. That horrible dreaded feeling when this BS spewed out on Monday morning has now morphed into a tranquil belief that our time has come to show up these corrupt spiteful twats for what they really are. Living in the smog any gooner/ spuds fans mates I might have are now on the enemy list too (kind of:)
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Yeah, I expect there to be some that are at least arguable - I seem to remember that some of City's moves early in FFP hadn't been tried before in English football (e.g. the image rights sale).

As you say, it changes if there's a clear breach somewhere.

The long list suggested to me that some of this was an attempt to get a clear assessment on whether some things were in fact breaches of the regs, or just an acceptable way around them or not covered. The PL can't decide that themselves as they aren't qualified, so they get some experts to investigate and produce an answer.
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The other interesting thing in all this is the Premier league will be apply the 17-18 rule book to all the charges. Won’t there have been amendments to rules which will have been different to when the alleged charges historically happened, therefore the club would have had different interpretations as to what the rules were?
 
Can't remember for sure what Rangers did but the draconian punishment handed to one of the biggest clubs in the world makes me very afraid. If they did the same to us it would mean starting in the fourth level and a helll of a long road back losing a generation of young fans along the way. Why rags are getting giddy about this I don't know as they seem to finally have a team and manager who can compete with us fair and square. As for the dippers take us out of the equation and they are still miles behind Arsenal and nited. Why Villa want to get involved I can't think they are the biggest under achievers in football and our absence will not alter that. The only conlation is the Bears came back and so can we but it could take ten years. Hoping or the best , but fearing the worse. F**k em all.
 
we are really here said:
After having a look through the Premier league handbook in which all the charges we have been handed. There's a lot of trivial stuff. The 2 K charges (k.12 and K.20) in the Premier league handbook they are down as not having a drug test area close to the players and officiating staff, and pitch dimensions, grass length and pitch pattern. Another is our scouts not acting in accordance with code of conduct.

But what gets me. If these are the charges from the handbook. Then it's the way its reported. Its down as 115 financial rule breaks. Now if the Premier league handbook is the Bible in which the rules we have broken. I've already found 3 charges that aren't financial.

The only charges that are financial are section D and E in the handbook.

If people want I can post the official wording of each charge. Unless they're secret laws that noone can find anywhere because its a major witch hunt, to prove to the government that they can clean shop themselves without any independent jurisdiction overlooking their corrupt acts.
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It's been said that the sections have changed over time - what is now k12 may not have been the same k12 ten years ago.
 
so we cant take a premier league ruling to court? but is there anything stopping us taking the premier league to court? say for defemation etc?
 
we are really here said:
After having a look through the Premier league handbook in which all the charges we have been handed. There's a lot of trivial stuff. The 2 K charges (k.12 and K.20) in the Premier league handbook they are down as not having a drug test area close to the players and officiating staff, and pitch dimensions, grass length and pitch pattern. Another is our scouts not acting in accordance with code of conduct.

But what gets me. If these are the charges from the handbook. Then it's the way its reported. Its down as 115 financial rule breaks. Now if the Premier league handbook is the Bible in which the rules we have broken. I've already found 3 charges that aren't financial.

The only charges that are financial are section D and E in the handbook.

If people want I can post the official wording of each charge. Unless they're secret laws that noone can find anywhere because its a major witch hunt, to prove to the government that they can clean shop themselves without any independent jurisdiction overlooking their corrupt acts.
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The rule book changes every year, so you need to cross reference the rule book from the specific year the charges relate to. Obviously we haven't actually been charged with things like grass length.
 
Is there a premiership rules of Probability of guilt?! If so they can look at the charges and ask them selves do you think in probability that Man City have done any of these charges? Now with 10 years of negative narrative calling us cheats while these lawyers judges who are going to Judge us mingled with these American owners in boardrooms across the premier with there loyalty to their football club! Do you really not think of course they’ve done wrong!?
 
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