PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Sir peace frog said:
no it wont, we read too much of this type of nonsense ,if city are found to have done no wrong we will carry on as usual,because that usual earns us 600m a year, so there will be no "bringing down the house of cards" we saw what happened after the uefa trails, fuck all changed.
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That's not exactly true, I think. We are on much better terms with UEFA and Ceferin after CAS and ESL than we were with UEFA and Platini. No reflection on Platini other than he didn't have the balls to stand up to the big clubs.

If we do get out of this relatively unscathed, and I think we will, then we may find our position with the PL strengthened too.
 
Assume a scenario where we are found 'guilty' on one minor charge and then banned from the PL.
There must be an appeal process outside of the PL to cover this and that seems to be covered by the wording in the PL own rules.
Although I've used an extreme example the point I'm making is that 'the punishment has to fit the crime' and there has to be an appeals process outside of the PL if City think this is not the case?
 
OrigamiNinja said:
I know you’re a City fan posting in good faith and you clearly have more knowledge on this subject than the vast majority on here. However, you are the only person I have seen anywhere say we cannot appeal to the courts. Surely a PL panel handing down a punishment, that can see a multi-billion pound business go out of business, would be something City could argue was “serious”?

Either your interpretation is wrong, or you are absolutely the top bollocks on this subject, in which case, I am wondering why you are posting on here and not being paid £80k per day by City to lead our case instead?
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First, I post on here very occasionally and this minute because I am a helpful person acting in good faith. Second, I didn't say there was no appeal. I set out with the relevant references the appeal possibilities. Serious penalties are not serious irregularities. We have no route to appeal purely on the basis of serious penalties.

I'm well paid in my day job but if City do want to hire me, they can make me an offer. And then I won't be able to post on here.
 
city2 said:
I think this will be the end of the Premier League as we know. City will bring the house down and all these jealous clubs will get there comeuppance.
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How will we “bring the house down”? Seriously I have been reading comments like this for about 10 years, yet about a month ago we wrote a pathetic joint communication with lfc of all people. We are clever in business but this macho stuff about destroying uefa and the PL seems like bollocks to me (as much as I’d like it to be true)
 
When we where originally punished by UEFA we apparently wanted to appeal but believed it would do more harm than good initially I think to brand sponsors and I think even even an affective ban from champions league. What happens if we are able to prove UEFA was also wrong ? I take it we cannot be knocked out of the premier league temporarily whilst this is decided in court ?
 
Len Rum said:
Assume a scenario where we are found 'guilty' on one minor charge and then banned from the PL.
There must be an appeal process outside of the PL to cover this and that seems to be covered by the wording in the PL own rules.
Although I've used an extreme example the point I'm making is that 'the punishment has to fit the crime' and there has to be an appeals process outside of the PL if City think this is not the case?
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Makes sense. Therefore I can see a ‘punishment’ that is acceptable to us, something similar to the uefa case.
 
projectriver said:
First, I post on here very occasionally and this minute because I am a helpful person acting in good faith. Second, I didn't say there was no appeal. I set out with the relevant references the appeal possibilities. Serious penalties are not serious irregularities. We have no route to appeal purely on the basis of serious penalties.

I'm well paid in my day job but if City do want to hire me, they can make me an offer. And then I won't be able to post on here.
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Thanks for your posts. Unfortunately you have taken all my optimism away - not your fault - but I now think we’ve been well & truly shafted & the past 6 years are being wiped out
 
PSmyth07 said:
I honestly cannot understand why at this stage the PL went public with the charges and briefed the media before informing us. Surely they would go public after we've had a chance to reply?

Saw some Villa fans yesterday explaining that they have been affected most as they were a solid top 6 club and pushing for top 4 every year and then we came along and ruined it.
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1990s aside, there was only 1 year they seriously pushed for top 4 following our takeover and that was 2008-09. As we'd only just been taken over and ultimately finished in a modest 10th place finish then it wasn't us that derailed their top 4 chances that season. They've only got themselves to blame for that. They were comfortably clear of Arsenal in 4th place at the back end of February. Then they played Stoke at home, were 2-0 up with 5 minutes to go, only to end up drawing 2-2, and from thereon in they totally capitulated and ended up only finishing 6th. Which is the same as where they finished the season before and the season after. Funnily enough, those 6th place finishes were off the back of heavy investment by Randy Lerner in the playing squad - they'd have been nowhere near those heady heights in those seasons if Deadly Doug was still their owner. Once Lerner reigned in the spending, they tumbled down the league table.
 
projectriver said:
First, I post on here very occasionally and this minute because I am a helpful person acting in good faith. Second, I didn't say there was no appeal. I set out with the relevant references the appeal possibilities. Serious penalties are not serious irregularities. We have no route to appeal purely on the basis of serious penalties.

I'm well paid in my day job but if City do want to hire me, they can make me an offer. And then I won't be able to post on here.
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yes you are correct. except you are arguing the wrong questions. most in the forum are not asking about that.
 
halfcenturyup said:
That's not exactly true, I think. We are on much better terms with UEFA and Ceferin after CAS and ESL than we were with UEFA and Platini. No reflection on Platini other than he didn't have the balls to stand up to the big clubs.

If we do get out of this relatively unscathed, and I think we will, then we may find our position with the PL strengthened too.
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The PL comprises of all 20 PL clubs, as long as the majority are yank owned I suspect there will be no hugs and kisses being exchanged. If they do offer a hug I'd insist on seeing empty hands first.
 
CC1 said:
Thanks for your posts. Unfortunately you have taken all my optimism away - not your fault - but I now think we’ve been well & truly shafted & the past 6 years are being wiped out
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he has not taking your optimism away. you are misinterpreting his analysis. he is saying we cannot simply argue the punishment is too sever as long as it is in the agreed rules. we can though argue that the rules are not correctly applied as we agreed to. as long as we have a strong "serious" case. there is a difference to these two.
 
projectriver said:
First, I post on here very occasionally and this minute because I am a helpful person acting in good faith. Second, I didn't say there was no appeal. I set out with the relevant references the appeal possibilities. Serious penalties are not serious irregularities. We have no route to appeal purely on the basis of serious penalties.

I'm well paid in my day job but if City do want to hire me, they can make me an offer. And then I won't be able to post on here.
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Please keep posting projectriver as your experience and wisdom really helps people understand the complexities here. It’s really difficult to tell people what they don’t want to hear. We’re on here because we’re blues and these are emotional times.
 
Agueroooo9320 said:
mate that is a feeling but we cannot go to court with feelings. if we are wronged as per the rules we can go the court. the rules are pretty tight. the panel has to follow english law and the panel has to follow fairness and its own rules regarding that. if we think they are not then we can go to court.
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Not clued up on this, but would any infraction of the law or rules have to meet a threshold before it could go to court, or is there a bit of leeway?
 
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