PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Nellies left peg said:
In your expert opinion do you think this will be resolved or go all the way? I feel that it has to be resolved once and for all to restore our credibility
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I think it depends on how much Discovery is provided with our responses to the allegations. If all of it, then it may stop there. If limited, then I suspect it will continue until full Discovery is provided which could last over 6 months to complete. If our papers are truly irrefutable then all good lawyers will bring things to an end.
If this was a public hearing like Uefa then I could see it going all the way. As it is private then the value of it going ahead is severely limited. I cannot state what other agendas are at play here, but my gut tells me that things will get resolved following Discovery unless the PL provide evidence that was not available to UEFA that is capable of defeating our Defenses. That still seems unlikely.
 
acton28 said:
Disabled team, youth academy, movement between CITC, links with live events other than football, corporate hire for 5a side etc. All blurry if they want it to be. That money from the vegan sponsors who have a hut that is seldom open. All contributions towards Mancini's sons who were paid and went. The more they scour, the more desperate they are. The public who don't support City have already chosen their sides. Few will change opinion.

Damage of reputation has been intended to be initially at a maximum as many fans were plugged to the news to see about that alleged white paper. The blue and white news hit hard. Right on Munich memorial day. Every fan of our rival was watching the news. Liverpool fans love twitching their curtains and they have been dancing on tins of polish since.
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What we need is a slogan on the side of a redundant red bus, with words like, "City are innocent", or "Premier League mafia", or something similar....
 
BillCarlisle said:
I would be amazed if City's legal team don't use this to discredit the PL. That's really all they need to do, discredit them. If we have enough evidence to back up our innocence that would be the back stop.
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He would be our first witness to call about the premier league
 
Shads said:
I think it depends on how much Discovery is provided with our responses to the allegations. If all of it, then it may stop there. If limited, then I suspect it will continue until full Discovery is provided which could last over 6 months to complete. If our papers are truly irrefutable then all good lawyers will bring things to an end.
If this was a public hearing like Uefa then I could see it going all the way. As it is private then the value of it going ahead is severely limited. I cannot state what other agendas are at play here, but my gut tells me that things will get resolved following Discovery unless the PL provide evidence that was not available to UEFA that is capable of defeating our Defenses. That still seems unlikely.
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Thank you
 
Shads said:
Funny. I am A lawyer and I can’t see anything useful there. Forget the Appeal, it’s a massive red herring. If this ever sees the inside of a private and confidential arbitration then that is where it will end. Win or bust. This always has and always will be a nuclear event for the loser.
The weight of the charges makes this nigh on impossible for the PL to win without some new piece of evidence that irrefutably proves that we have done what has been alleged.
CAS showed that evidence does not exist or was not presented for at least some of the period covered in this case. The PL lawyers will be paid as much as we will be paying Pannick (funny how there is no mention of those costs). They all get paid irrespective of the result. Bird & Bird have logged 4 years of fees, they are not worried about their reputation. They will simply talk about the risks of litigation when they lose.
If there really was a smoking gun this whole episode would feel remarkably different. In fact the charges and the deal reached by City and the PL would have been announced almost simultaneously as those conversations would have been covered and dealt with behind the scenes. I remain utterly convinced that City will defeat these charges. Could I be Wrong… of course I could. However, I rarely get things wrong (arrogant but true).
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Good post. Optimism is in abundance today.
 
Shads said:
Funny. I am A lawyer and I can’t see anything useful there. Forget the Appeal, it’s a massive red herring. If this ever sees the inside of a private and confidential arbitration then that is where it will end. Win or bust. This always has and always will be a nuclear event for the loser.
The weight of the charges makes this nigh on impossible for the PL to win without some new piece of evidence that irrefutably proves that we have done what has been alleged.
CAS showed that evidence does not exist or was not presented for at least some of the period covered in this case. The PL lawyers will be paid as much as we will be paying Pannick (funny how there is no mention of those costs). They all get paid irrespective of the result. Bird & Bird have logged 4 years of fees, they are not worried about their reputation. They will simply talk about the risks of litigation when they lose.
If there really was a smoking gun this whole episode would feel remarkably different. In fact the charges and the deal reached by City and the PL would have been announced almost simultaneously as those conversations would have been covered and dealt with behind the scenes. I remain utterly convinced that City will defeat these charges. Could I be Wrong… of course I could. However, I rarely get things wrong (arrogant but true).
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So, what do you think will happen when we do have the charges thrown out?
Surely City have to persue some kind of payout for the damage to our reputation... do you think we'd have grounds to take action against some media outlets/journos too?
Also, like you said - the fees for the PLs lawyers will have to be paid, and has been for 4yrs... where is that money coming from?
 
crossie said:
This thing about the over inflated sponsorship deal. At the time it was signed, it probably was inflated, but surely the time period involved and full figure took into account that during that contract period, the value and exposure of the club would increase exponentially and therefore make the deal over the time period be appropriate.
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This is so true. I bet the scum and scouse sponsors are delighted with the failure of their teams to win trophies over the last ten years, what return are they getting.

If a sponsor is prepared to take the risk, then so be it.
 
Norman kneejerk said:
I have a bit of a bugbear with most of the Lancashire teams that whenever they are skint or short of players which is most of the time they are straight round on the cadge but whenever they have a little run or city hit a bump in the road they always seem to be there sticking the knife in.
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Probably because the vast majority of their fans are closet United and Liverpool fans. They didn't know what to do with themselves when their team made it to the same division as them (the ones that grew up in the 90s watching United on Sky then heading to Turf Moor or wherever for a 3pm Saturday kick off that is, not the older fans).
It was the same when Swansea came up, their season ticket holders were written to asking them not to wear United shirts to games any more, they said it was fine when they were in different divisions but now they were 'rivals' it was a bit of a no-no.
 
John Wayne said:
From a mate (I am only a messenger!):

"Spoke with an MP mate who I won't say (there are some good ones BTW). The Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (think current sports minister is Lucy Fraser) are incandescent with the PL's antics and the push for the independent regulator is being accelerated. Furthermore there are lots of shit stick stories on the horizon about the PL, backhanders etc, going to come out in due course inc monopoly corruption in regards to tv revenues and access. Bottom line is they are supporters of City as a catalyst for change".

It's interesting from the point of view that independent regulation could come in before our hearing takes place. If that happens, our charges could well be reviewed and even dropped.
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Wouldn't surprise me. The PL are in severe danger of fucking up a major, remunerative commercial relationship with a valued partner of the UK.
They're going to get shredded.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Will this be like a real court where the persecution must surrender everything to the defence??
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No,
creditunionhero said:
A lot of our case will rest on our published accounts. These have to be produced and audited to a standard which meets a high burden of proof threshold. The PL will have to show our clubs accounts have not met this standard.

I don't think it will be enough for them to say on the balance of probabilities are accounts are dishonest.
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Why not though? It's their trainset, they can run it however they like.)
 
dario2739 said:
So, what do you think will happen when we do have the charges thrown out?
Surely City have to persue some kind of payout for the damage to our reputation... do you think we'd have grounds to take action against some media outlets/journos too?
Also, like you said - the fees for the PLs lawyers will have to be paid, and has been for 4yrs... where is that money coming from?
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I answered that to someone else a few hundred pages back. No we will not. It is not our owners style and there is no guarantee of success. Journos will say they were reporting in the news of the times and the entities will say they were made aware of allegations and it was appropriate for them to investigate. They will quietly revel in the PL and “19”’s defeat with a big cigar and a smug glow of satisfaction. In my opinion of course.
As to the PL lawyer cost presumably it is paid for out of the budget. PL is fairly wealthy you know…
 
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