PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Prestwich_Blue]

Unless you know otherwise, everything I’ve read suggests UEFA knew we’d sold off the image rights to a company on very favourable terms, not that Fordham was ultimately being funded by ADUG.

That was the new info from 2018.

We don't know whether it was new or had been discussed but even in 2018, when UEFA knew, they still didn't pursue it. If they thought we had knowingly deceived them then they'd have come down on us like a ton of bricks.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

At the expense of our reputation as a football club? I agree with you but it’s a hard pill to swallow.

We withheld documents only on legal advice. The situation seems to have been (as I suspect it was with the PL) that UEFA were deemed to be on a fishing expedition. In other words "Give us something that will incriminate you."

I'm not a lawyer but my understanding is that if you're pursuing a case, you can only ask for material that will clarify a case or claim you've ready formulated, not whether there's the basis for a claim in the first place.

 

[wolviedinho]

We don't know whether it was new or had been discussed but even in 2018, when UEFA knew, they still didn't pursue it. If they thought we had knowingly deceived them then they'd have come down on us like a ton of bricks.

Did they have the scope to pursue? Is this what Leterme is alluding too when he says “the scope of the complaint is now broader than that at UEFA, both in time and in substance”.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

UEFA were aware of the arrangement apparently and had discussions with us about it. The arrangement seems to have ended in 2018 but UEFA seems to have been satisfied that it wasn't an attempt to deceive FFP. So they seemingly had concerns but not enough to make it a breach of FFP.

Hence they didn't pursue it. It's all in that Reuters article linked to above. Reading that, I'm even more confident this is going nowhere.

Thanks mate.

 

[Metalartin]

They might have known the image rights issue would be time barred, if they did pursue it at CAS. However, none of this would be new to City either and their statement was pretty clear on the evidence the club has.

Also, if time barring was the reason UEFA didn't bring it up at CAS, then what's the excuse for trying to charge City with the other time barred stuff, that their own rules prohibited?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Did they have the scope to pursue? Is this what Leterme is alluding too when he says “the scope of the complaint is now broader than that at UEFA, both in time and in substance”.

That would have been the argument used by our lawyers. The PL can't go looking for a case to pursue. They have to have one when they ask for documents, emails, etc.

I could be wrong but it looks increasingly like all they had was UEFA's sloppy seconds.

 

[Worsleyweb]

That would have been the argument used by our lawyers. The PL can't go looking for a case to pursue. They have to have one when they ask for documents, emails, etc.

I could be wrong but it looks increasingly like all they had was UEFA's sloppy seconds.

Never mind all that you looked resplendent in your Gap top!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

They might have known the image rights issue would be time barred, if they did pursue it at CAS. However, none of this would be new to City either and their statement was pretty clear on the evidence the club has.

Also, if time barring was the reason UEFA didn't bring it up at CAS, then what's the excuse for trying to charge City with the other time barred stuff, that their own rules prohibited?

I think, without referring to the CAS documentation, that they could go back to 2013/14 onwards. So I doubt it was time-barred.

It seems they talked to us about it, presumably didn't like it but I'd guess it wasn't necessarily against any FFP rules. So what could they charge us with?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Never mind all that you looked resplendent in your Gap top!

That's my "I've just had my energy bill so the fucking heating isn't going on" top.

 

[Worsleyweb]

That's my "I've just had my energy bill so the fucking heating isn't going on" top.

Looking well my friend and spoke very clearly and well on the subject.

 

[Maine Shark]

PL: we want you to give us your 2nd set of accounts with the real details.
City: we don’t have a second set of accounts.
PL: we asked you for your 2nd set of accounts and you didn’t provide them, guilty as charged.

 

[wolviedinho]

That would have been the argument used by our lawyers. The PL can't go looking for a case to pursue. They have to have one when they ask for documents, emails, etc.

I could be wrong but it looks increasingly like all they had was UEFA's sloppy seconds.

Thanks for the explanation and for the numerous post pertaining to the matter.

Sloppy seconds is all they deserve.

 

[JASR]

Sorry - had a hell of a few days!!!! Here's Che Guardiola
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Very good, but not sure of the star on the hat…
Maybe:
A bee?
Cross of St marks?
A ship?
A red rose?
2 fingers?

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

The Premier league have been railroaded into this investigation by the Rags & Dippers , when Masters was appointed to his position at the Premier league it was alleged that the red 'istree clubs were asked for their approval of the appontement.
No doubt one of the questions to Masters at his interview was "What are you going to do about City", and we now have the answer. The fact that a self confessed Goon fanatical supporter will chair the investigation only makes this situation even more hilarious , (it reminds me of the Black Adder (Series 4) when Stephen Fry playing General Melchett was judge and jury for the murder of his plump pigeon)

Similar to UEFA , when they were under immense pressure from the "established" european clubs to take action against our club , the Premier league are doing exactly the same ,but including the hearing and any appeal i wouldnt be surprised if we have another three or four league titles under our belt before the spineless c*nts like Masters at the Premier league finally have their pound of flesh.

Possibly a points reduction and a transfer ban would be on the table to appease the jealous f*ckers in the Premier league who are in awe of how our superbly run football club mops up trophies,but talk of relegation and removing historical titles we have won are just the bullshit dreams and shit stirring of the media and club rivals clutching at straws.

Apologies for the long winded rant , but one last thing , if they relegated our club to the National league we will still have a 35000/40000 loyal core support who will never desert our club and we will bounce back , we have done it before.
"They" can try and kick our club into submission but "they" will NEVER EVER diminish our support ,lest we forget .............................we are city till we die ;)

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Uh... Jonathan Rowland and Fordham weren't brought up at CAS at all.

CAS was about sponsorships. This stuff is about image rights, not sponsors.

it was all over the press in 2019 it was covered in the CAS trial and we had proof of how it was opperating

 

[domalino]

it was all over the press in 2019 it was covered in the CAS trial and we had proof of how it was opperating

Fordham was not covered in the CAS trial. I don't know how else you want it explained, it simply was not a part of it.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Fordham was not covered in the CAS trial. I don't know how else you want it explained, it simply was not a part of it.

Man City 'launched secret project to shift player image rights cash'

Manchester City are alleged to have launched a secret project to shift the cost of player image rights to a third-party in a bid to escape Financial Fair Play penalties.

www.dailymail.co.uk

of course it was here's an article asking UEFA to investigate it way before we were charged by them. It was covered and deemed nothing

 

[wattle]

Very good, but not sure of the star on the hat…
Maybe:
A bee?
Cross of St marks?
A ship?
A red rose?
2 fingers?

Cross of St Marks looked a bit Nazi Germany haha. How's this?

 

[domalino]

Man City 'launched secret project to shift player image rights cash'

Manchester City are alleged to have launched a secret project to shift the cost of player image rights to a third-party in a bid to escape Financial Fair Play penalties.

www.dailymail.co.uk

of course it was here's an article asking UEFA to investigate it way before we were charged by them. It was covered and deemed nothing

this was already proved in CAS not to be an attempt to disguise payments so why is it being brought back up?

It was not covered in the CAS trial FFS.

We all know it was uncovered before then, that's what we've been discussing for the last 10 pages.

It was not covered by, or even mentioned, at CAS. It was no "already proved in CAS not to be an attempt..."

Instead of replying to me again to tell me that black is white, up is down, go and read the CAS report and search for Fordham and maybe you'll believe your own eyes when it's not there.

 

[wolviedinho]

Man City 'launched secret project to shift player image rights cash'

Manchester City are alleged to have launched a secret project to shift the cost of player image rights to a third-party in a bid to escape Financial Fair Play penalties.

www.dailymail.co.uk

of course it was here's an article asking UEFA to investigate it way before we were charged by them. It was covered and deemed nothing

“We will need to fight this [FFP regulations] and do it in a way that is not visible, or we will be pointed out as the global enemies of football.”

That worked out well. Prophecy came through it seems.