PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[flb]

if we didnt collect dirt on rivals we will get done imo by the PL panel, Pannick or not..
The only way to counter this whole farce if go the PL in the background and tell them here is dirt 1, 2,3,4,5 about to be released to media and will shake the PL and rivals unless they make these charges go away...

if we dont have any dirt on rivals, then we are very naive that deserves a punishment on its own. look what couple of hacked emails caused us last few years. we were also hacked by Liverpool. who knows how long would have gone on if we dont notice it...


we also dont know what potential dirt they got access too since CAS case, for example more, different hacked emails etc.

Soriano will have to answer for a lot if we get punished in the end.
the amount of scrutiny our accounts had last 10 years, if we still did funny stuff despite thats not a good look...
we need to be ready for multiple outcomes if there is serious punishment we need to have a fall guy, I assume Soriano. it almost needs to be like "dear judge, we had no idea he was doing all these trick with his friend Omar Berrada". :D

lets hope the only charge they get us with is the non cooperation. anything else will mean imo transfer bans, points deduction, serious money penalty, or even worse...

An excellent post.I’ve a funny feeling there are other hacked emails bouncing around , and why shouldn’t there be when you think about it, hackers have no morals and neither did Der Spiegel.Time barred emails eh ? Something isn’t right , if this is about coming out of this with a not so bloody nose then I’m sorry , the club has royally fucked up, I’ll bet we are unhackable as a club now aren’t we ? Now we’ve stepped security up , that’s two breaches - wether it’s passed around passwords - or hacking , they are still the same if used against the club.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Yeah , tend to agree , irrefutable proof ? So what is it City ? Could we have put a stop to this before the charges were made ? There is obviously something cooked about the books even in a minor way isn’t there ? It’s all about getting out of this with a clean nose as possible , if that’s the case then the cheat slur , and the damage done to Peps legacy will never go away, or the club’s previously to him.

That's a bit of a leap. We don't even know to what extent we co-operated or didn't. Certainly we don't know nearly enough to say we have obviously been cooking the books as a result of this non-co-operation.

 

[wattle]

Pep keeps talking about titles won before he was there as we won. That’s deliberate. He could say it happened before I was here, it’s not my fault but in his usual way not allowing excuses to enter it.

I love him, I’d go to war for him. I called him Che Guardiola before but if anyone can knock up the Che tshirts with Peps face on with “revolution” then I’m buying it.

I think it should be the fundraiser for fans.

Sorry - had a hell of a few days!!!! Here's Che Guardiola

 

[paska]

if we didnt collect dirt on rivals we will get done imo by the PL panel, Pannick or not..
The only way to counter this whole farce if go the PL in the background and tell them here is dirt 1, 2,3,4,5 about to be released to media and will shake the PL and rivals unless they make these charges go away...

if we dont have any dirt on rivals, then we are very naive that deserves a punishment on its own. look what couple of hacked emails caused us last few years. we were also hacked by Liverpool. who knows how long would have gone on if we dont notice it...


we also dont know what potential dirt they got access too since CAS case, for example more, different hacked emails etc.

Soriano will have to answer for a lot if we get punished in the end.
the amount of scrutiny our accounts had last 10 years, if we still did funny stuff despite thats not a good look...
we need to be ready for multiple outcomes if there is serious punishment we need to have a fall guy, I assume Soriano. it almost needs to be like "dear judge, we had no idea he was doing all these trick with his friend Omar Berrada". :D

lets hope the only charge they get us with is the non cooperation. anything else will mean imo transfer bans, points deduction, serious money penalty, or even worse...

Why would we need a fall guy? We’ve followed the rules, we’re clean, we’ve provided the paperwork three times already, and we’ve already gone to court and won once for the same allegations that we’re now being “charged” with unilaterally by the league

 

[KS55]

What you just described in your own comment isn’t a minnow

Whatev ffs

 

[flb]

That's a bit of a leap. We don't even know to what extent we co-operated or didn't. Certainly we don't know nearly enough to say we have obviously been cooking the books as a result of this non-co-operation.

You must agree mate surely , if this is about 20 cracks with the cane or 10, something doesn’t feel right.

 

[johnnytapia]

Has @Prestwich_Blue done us a charges breakdown?

Ten pound an hour. Plus his retainer with Al Jazira.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

Thanks for that. I might have missed that report. Easy and clear to read and understand.

Blame the accountants. Bunch of rags tripped us up.

Why have city not presented the proof needed to stop the investigation? If we are stonewalling the opposition to this extent. We must have decided that (a) we wanted an independent tribunal to fully clear us and take the media character assassination. Or (b) something in those accounts can be interpreted to show guilt and give the premier league the chance to follow through with their claims.

Grandstanding by the league. Only loser is city, and the fans. I can understand city not wanting to open the books with the leaks out of Uefa. I can’t get my head around the irrefutable proof v brand defamation. The relationship is poisonous now anyway.

The CAS report is helpful here. Fundamentally, City don't think anyone should be doing an investigation based on illegally hacked emails, they don't trust the people doing the investigation, and they don't think they should open up not just their "books" but their bank statements, sponsors bank statements, and club wide communications for those people. I can understand both sides really.

 

[BringBackSwales]

The Tesco's super store in Portwood, Stockport, doesn’t *have* a UK arm.

It is a very small part *of* the UK arm *of* Tescos PLC.

Which is actually a UK based company to begin with.

Who gives a shit about Tesco?

 

[Bluearmy]

He hasn't :)

And if he does he needs to quit moonlighting and stick to the task at hand ;)

 

[BringBackSwales]

Ten pound an hour. Plus his retainer with Al Jazira.

He wants his image rights paying somewhere different

 

[paska]

Thanks for that. I might have missed that report. Easy and clear to read and understand.

Blame the accountants. Bunch of rags tripped us up.

Why have city not presented the proof needed to stop the investigation? If we are stonewalling the opposition to this extent. We must have decided that (a) we wanted an independent tribunal to fully clear us and take the media character assassination. Or (b) something in those accounts can be interpreted to show guilt and give the premier league the chance to follow through with their claims.

Grandstanding by the league. Only loser is city, and the fans. I can understand city not wanting to open the books with the leaks out of Uefa. I can’t get my head around the irrefutable proof v brand defamation. The relationship is poisonous now anyway.

The club’s stance is that we *have* provided it.

Problem is, the EPL acts as a kangaroo court. It has no legal power or standing, no judges nor a jury, and as an organisation itself it is only made up of it’s own member clubs.

It’s press releases contradict our press releases, only one can be accurate. But who gets to decide that? Not the league, aka the very same clubs making the accusation, surely?

 

[halfcenturyup]

An excellent post.I’ve a funny feeling there are other hacked emails bouncing around , and why shouldn’t there be when you think about it, hackers have no morals and neither did Der Spiegel.Time barred emails eh ? Something isn’t right , if this is about coming out of this with a not so bloody nose then I’m sorry , the club has royally fucked up, I’ll bet we are unhackable as a club now aren’t we ? Now we’ve stepped security up , that’s two breaches - wether it’s passed around passwords - or hacking , they are still the same if used against the club.

Clearly there are no more emails at Der Spiegel, or they would have published them. So the only other source could have been Pinto himself. I am not sure he has had the time or opportunity for the last two years. I doubt they have any new emails, but even if they did, emails by themselves mean nothing.

I suppose we will see. If the club can put up a good case for the Etisalat transactions, they can put up a good case for anything. :)

The rest, I think, we probably have covered.

 

[paska]

Who gives a shit about Tesco?

VOOMER.

(It was an example)

 

[flb]

There was a certain individuals emails that were hacked at the club wasn’t there ? The only simple question I will ask , is that person still employed by the club ? If he isn’t (and the club may have said he’s moved on to pastures new ???) then why isn’t he still here if he/she hadn’t dropped an almighty clanger? I’m not sensationalising , it’s a decent question.

 

[flb]

The club’s stance is that we *have* provided it.

Problem is, the EPL acts as a kangaroo court. It has no legal power or standing, no judges nor a jury, and as an organisation itself it is only made up of it’s own member clubs.

It’s press releases contradict our press releases, only one can be accurate. But who gets to decide that? Not the league, aka the very same clubs making the accusation, surely?

We’ve only proved it if we have seen all the hacked emails ?

 

[levets]

KC if you are male...QC if you are female...it's easy enough mate.

What?

 

[flb]

Clearly there are no more emails at Der Spiegel, or they would have published them. So the only other source could have been Pinto himself. I am not sure he has had the time or opportunity for the last two years. I doubt they have any new emails, but even if they did, emails by themselves mean nothing.

I suppose we will see. If the club can put up a good case for the Etisalat transactions, they can put up a good case for anything. :)

The rest, I think, we probably have covered.

Listen mate I hope so , but getting off on a technicality, or non cooperation isn’t good enough to clear our name once and for all. There is a nervousness on here with our legal and financial experts , why ?

 

[Shads]

They'll find us guilty of what CAS found us guilty of - not complying with UEFA FFP investigation. That'll be enough to fine us. And that will be enough for the press and rival fans to continue calling us cheats and that our titles are all tarnished. Fuck em all!

I disagree. I do Not think we will be found to have failed to cooperate. We provided everything relevant. That did not happen with CAS and we admitted to refusing to cooperate due to concerns over leaks. CAS had NO CHOICE but to fine us for what we freely admitted. They dropped the fine amount following our plea in mitigation. Here we can argue that we provided relevant and appropriate documents. It appears that the PL have attempted to fish for other docs. We responded with a request for specificity. If the PL did not request docs with sufficient specificity then we had no obligation to provide those docs under the rules. Therefore no failure to cooperate.
To put it more simply UEFA never had to prove failure to cooperate as we admitted it. Here the PL have to prove our failure.

 

[Len Rum]

I guess it may depend on the severity of the charges?

Not sure.
IMO the time bar is a matter of legal principle i.e. is it PL rules or is it English law ( to which PL rules are subject).
I think stefan mentioned on twitter that in his view some allegations could be time barred.