How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

BobKowalski said:
Not substantially no. At least as far as I can tell (I may be wrong). There is still a border in the Irish Sea, we have agreed to provide real time customs data, NI is in the EU Single Market and subject to EU rules and ECJ jurisdiction. All of this was deemed ‘unacceptable’ and needed to go. It hasn’t.

Stormont will have the power to decide on EU new rules, but they vote against them and you end up with a land border which no one wants. The trusted trader scheme will be important as that will remove a lot of checks which suits everyone and as long as the EU get to see trade flows in real time so they can monitor how it is working it shouldn’t be a problem.

The principles laid out in the NI protocol haven’t changed, but there are pragmatic steps to make life easier which is in everyone’s interests.
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Sunak has done better than Johnson in this, without a doubt, but it wasn’t exactly hard going in to negotiate after that moron was it?

It’s still shit, Brexit is shit, but they are going to try and spin this as a major win for the government, when in reality it’s damage limitation.

Hopefully King Prince Charles involvement has pushed along the abolishment by a decade or two.
 
BobKowalski said:
Not substantially no. At least as far as I can tell (I may be wrong). There is still a border in the Irish Sea, we have agreed to provide real time customs data, NI is in the EU Single Market and subject to EU rules and ECJ jurisdiction. All of this was deemed ‘unacceptable’ and needed to go. It hasn’t.

Stormont will have the power to decide on EU new rules, but they vote against them and you end up with a land border which no one wants. The trusted trader scheme will be important as that will remove a lot of checks which suits everyone and as long as the EU get to see trade flows in real time so they can monitor how it is working it shouldn’t be a problem.

The principles laid out in the NI protocol haven’t changed, but there are pragmatic steps to make life easier which is in everyone’s interests.
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You have very capably described why it should be a 'positive improvement'.
 
blueparrot said:
To be fair being in the EU was the easiest way to peace in N.I. It was leaving that jeopardised it.Even with this better deal still may.
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I hope not but history tells us differently Scotland has a similar problem they voted remain and power sharing is working in the SNP favour.
The DUP are a difficult party of NI will they agree to power share again ? I hope so the people deserve it

I’m nearly sure Sunak said no border down the Irish Sea and blue and red lanes will prevail
 
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BobKowalski said:
I don‘t mind NI getting the best of both worlds. Good luck to them. Importantly, this establishes the protocol in NI, keeps the GFA in place and hopefully means Stormont will be back and the elected members can do their job.

Just shows what can be done when you have a PM more interested in pragmatic results than fanatical anti-European ideology. Next step is to move the rest of the UK towards alignment with the EU Single Market. After all, if it’s good for NI, it must be good for the rest of us :)
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Never forget, Sunak not only voted for the previous deal, but he told everyone how great it was.
 
watching the debate live - its fucking hilarious - Sunak pointing out all the faults with the Brexit deal and Tory after Tory agreeing with him and pointing out what he has fixed and how it will help in future. All of them with a straight face - they will be livid when they find out which Govt got Brexit done.
 
Going to be very interesting to see if Johnson, the Brexit Ultra faction of the ERG and JRM try and undermine this deal - would that signal their demise or would they start to get a following?
 
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