The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

domalino said:
Are you literally incapable of seeing anything past club rivalries?

It really does feel like some of you would turn down an organ transplant if you found out the donor supported any of the 20-30 clubs on the forum's shit list.
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Doubt it is to do with club rivalries there.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The comparison was a poor one imo. Regardless of his or your or anyones dislike of this government, their language isn't the same as the hate and bile spewed by the nazi government. Comparing the too surely leads to belittling the evil that occurred in 1930s Germany. I do have an issue with that.

Its all too easy to throw insults and make comparisons like this these days and i think those that do don't fully understand what occurred back then. It trivialises an awful nadir in European history.
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But, clearly, he wasn't referencing the "awful nadir" part. He was referring to the language used in the period that eventually led to that awful nadir. That's why he specifically used the word "language".
 
Reminds me of that interview with John Motson and Brian Clough.

Show more of the football on a Saturday night and less of the talking and analysing - B.Clough.

He was right.
 
The last leg as always discussed the weeks hot topics and after the bit on Garys comments this happened



as Adam Hills says may be a random message but straight after defending Lineker probably not
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The comparison was a poor one imo. Regardless of his or your or anyones dislike of this government, their language isn't the same as the hate and bile spewed by the nazi government. Comparing the too surely leads to belittling the evil that occurred in 1930s Germany. I do have an issue with that.

Its all too easy to throw insults and make comparisons like this these days and i think those that do don't fully understand what occurred back then. It trivialises an awful nadir in European history.
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Dubai Blue said:
But, clearly, he wasn't referencing the "awful nadir" part. He was referring to the language used in the period that eventually led to that awful nadir. That's why he specifically used the word "language".
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Entirely agree with @Churchlawtonblue and his call on this one. With respect, @Dubai Blue, your distinction is a specious one. The Nazis were about language. Hitler, supremely, was about language, and everybody who actually witnessed him speaking, — see William Shirer's classic account in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, although much good work has been done since then — including those who were thoroughly hostile to his world outlook, agreed that he had a hypnotic power to get people to do things. They even had a written, canonical text to “justify” and incite the brownshirts to beating up rabbis in the streets: Mein Kampf. Dachau was built and opened as early as 1933, although it wasn't specifically a destination for Jews to be exterminated at that point. But there was no need to wait till 1939 for Hitler's theories to take effect.
For what it's worth, I think Lineker's talking complete bollocks here. But I defend his right to talk bollocks. A lot of bollocks is talked, especially on Twitter, as far as I can make out. He posted something on Twitter as a private citizen. Not as a representative of an organisation, nor using the platforms of that organisation. Hundreds of people work for the BBC. Are they all to be gagged as private citizens, with a right to expression?
 
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urban genie said:
The last leg as always discussed the weeks hot topics and after the bit on Garys comments this happened



as Adam Hills says may be a random message but straight after defending Lineker probably not
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How much hate do you have inside you to post something like that?

Thats what the governments language stirs up.
 
I think Lineker will be a massive miss to the show and I think 6 months down the line people will realise that.
 
Bill Walker said:
Doesn't matter what I'm happy with. GL signed a contract. He's breached it.

If he quits the BBC he can say whatever he likes. It's quite simple really.
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Except that is an assumption. May or may not be true (his camp claim it is not) but even if it were, the question of whether it is right or not remains and will continue to draw scrutiny on the BBC while other presenters continue to do the same. Besides, the only people that have associated GL's comments as 'representing' the BBC are ironically the government and the BBC on behalf of the government.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I know one of them and they get told by the pundits which bits to include. These guys (freelancers) are otherwise used to providing highlights packages in real time - athletics, Wimbledon etc. I expect they'll be genuinely whizzing through the footage for interesting bits rather than pushing any agenda so may be better.
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That's interesting because I always thought it was the other way round. I'm sure the pundits haven't watched a match and are just talking about highlights fed to them 30 minutes before the programme.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Of course not, it was just interesting that on social media their is seemingly near hysteria as on here, yet you mention it in everyday life and no one seems to care that much. The reaction overwhelmingly is well its Gary Lineker, he's a bit of a berk so no great loss. Perhaps he should have stuck to the job rules? It was just an observation nothing more.
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The problem is that we could have had this same conversation back in the early 30's minus the social media aspect. They got away with it and of course hugely escalated. We'll only know after the fact where we're heading. As a slight aside I'm seriously worried where the world in general is going.
 
Dubai Blue said:
But, clearly, he wasn't referencing the "awful nadir" part. He was referring to the language used in the period that eventually led to that awful nadir. That's why he specifically used the word "language".
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I can see that, but he made that comparison because of the link to nazi Germany. He could have compared the UK government's stance and rhetoric to that of the USAs in recent times ans their border policies. But that wouldn't have had the same impact would it. He deliberately chose the worst government by far in recent history.
 
Bill Walker said:
Doesn't matter what I'm happy with. GL signed a contract. He's breached it.

If he quits the BBC he can say whatever he likes. It's quite simple really.
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Lineker tweets politically all the time and it has been previously established that his social media is private amd not tied to his BBC contract.

This is the first time.he has directly critcised a government policy and at present those running the beeb who were appointed by the government and are donors of the tory party seem to have taken umbridge to it personally rather than him breach any contractual comitments.

If his personal twitter was linked to his contract he would have been gone years ago
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Of course not, it was just interesting that on social media their is seemingly near hysteria as on here, yet you mention it in everyday life and no one seems to care that much. The reaction overwhelmingly is well its Gary Lineker, he's a bit of a berk so no great loss. Perhaps he should have stuck to the job rules? It was just an observation nothing more.
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Mention it in everyday life? It's only just happened. How many peoples opinion have you canvassed?

The few people I have spoke to think the Beeb have dropped a bollock but I'm not claiming that means anything.

People overwhelming think Lineker is a berk? Erm......
 
dronefromsector7G said:
They should give us soundtrack options. Babbling brook, rainforest animals or thunderstorm
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I sleep every night to the sounds of thunderstorms from the Alexa, wonderful and it works.

Anyway, MotD? Fuck that, nothing will get me watching that shite.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Brilliant. Now the government are saying it’s between the BBC and Lineker. Have we not seen all these Cabinet members exerting pressure on the BBC?

Must be seeing things.
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So the government in no shape or form did not contact The BBC concerning Linekers tweet or Sir David Attenborough pulled interview?

Seems legit.....
 
I'm actually amazed that the thread has the title as a question. And that some think it's not the case.

I can only presume that when you're stood that extremely far over to the right, everything else appears to be to the left. This government are slowly whipping up hatred, currently for migrants, as a form of keeping control by division. Where will they stop? Who knows. Everyone who wants this to be a decent country should call them out when needed.
 
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