The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

[br88]

I have no problem with him making it & I agree with the premise of his argument but he needs to make it better when using a platform that encourages outrage.
The bbc has dehumanised people for ever, it’s a national broadcaster used for propaganda otherwise they’d have sold it off with the gas & water.

I understand your comment about the premise of his argument but referring to Nazi Germany is offensive and way out of order. He should look at some of the documentaries on concentration camps. Also, where was his great concern for human rights when he happily took all the Qatari money at the World Cup.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

This is you and your lunacy

"
Klopp, the Nazis and Pervitin.

Pervitin is a drug developed in Germany in the 1930s. It was originally intended as a recreational drug to help the famously dour Germans relax. It was soon repurposed for military use once its qualities were better understood.

As a German it is likely Jugen Klopp would be familiar with the history and properties of Pervitin. Indeed, it is believed several of his ancestral relatives were enthusiastic members of either the SS or Hitler youth..... " blah blah lfc cheat off the back of the nazis

I'm sick of crackpots getting a voice. But hey that's the world we live in, we all get free speech don't we.

This is you and your lunacy

"
Klopp, the Nazis and Pervitin.

Pervitin is a drug developed in Germany in the 1930s. It was originally intended as a recreational drug to help the famously dour Germans relax. It was soon repurposed for military use once its qualities were better understood.

As a German it is likely Jugen Klopp would be familiar with the history and properties of Pervitin. Indeed, it is believed several of his ancestral relatives were enthusiastic members of either the SS or Hitler youth..... " blah blah lfc cheat off the back of the nazis

I'm sick of crackpots getting a voice. But hey that's the world we live in, we all get free speech don't we.

Jesus Christ. He’s not just a moron, he’s a weapons grade mentalist.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I have long lamented my wife's inability to transfer her capacity to deal with the stupidity of people in the judicial system into her every day dealings with me :-)

You shouldn’t take your work home with you ;-)

 

[Gus Fring]

So they're all the same but the Tories are far worse while being all the same?

Yes mate take just that from what I said

 

[paska]

Not really followed this story and dont watch motd because its normally shit, although I imagine no commentry/punditry would be an improvement.

My understanding is that lineker has been sacked for thinking he can say what he likes on whatever social media.

Just stick to football gary, thats your job,and you are overpaid for it. Keep your political? rants/views confined to the pub with your mates, not social media as free speech is no longer a thing with everyone being offended by everything these days.

If the other pundits dont want to work because of the situation then sack them too,and while youre at it bbc, sack the whole bbc red sports section and employ people with simple and fair values to reporting.

Everything about football is becoming more and more like a circus these days, fcking rubbish.

What’s your job? Unless it’s posting on bluemoon you’re not following your own advice.

People are not just their day jobs. He *can* say whatever he likes on social media, that’s exactly what social media is for!

The only things barred from social media are attacks on protected characteristics. As of yet, being a govt minister hasn’t been declared one.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

You’re absolutely right but that raises another point; there isn’t currently a show that *does* provide intensive tactical analysis.

For the most part BBC, BT and Sky aim all their coverage at the casual viewer. Maybe for the BBC that’s spot-on anyway, but I’d wager on the other two networks half of the viewership is a bit more football inclined.

I like MoTD and for the same reasons as you stated want to see it come back how it was, once the dispute is resolved. But does this also identify a gap in the market for another, more analysis-intense and knowledgeable program?

I think Sky would say that Monday Night Football is their tactical coverage, and is ok sometimes, but I agree. I get all that stuff from podcasts and YouTube and The Athletic. I think there is a space for it on TV, but broadcasters, as you say, think differently.

 

[The perfect fumble]

You're confusing cancelled with criticised.

If your work dries up, the phone don't ring, you're hounded out of your job, your lectures cancelled, you and your supporters charged with made up non-crimes, your books not stocked or displayed, you're slandered constantly on social media, your peers turn against you, venues refuse to take your bookings and your message is constantly misrepresented and labelled hate, then you're right, it's just criticism.

 

[mattcity5]

I’m quite happy for my word to stand on their own terms in 2023, it others that search for comparisons that minimise evil events in history.

A reminder of the Holocaust is not minimising it. It's reminding people what people and Governments are capable of is left unchecked.

And I don't see how mentioning the Holocaust and keeping a spotlight on it, serves to minimise it. Would you rather the Holocaust wasn't mentioned at all?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

A reminder of the Holocaust is not minimising it. It's reminding people what people and Governments are capable of is left unchecked.

And I don't see how mentioning the Holocaust and keeping a spotlight on it, serves to minimise it. Would you rather the Holocaust wasn't mentioned at all?

Don’t mention the holocaust. I mentioned it once before but I think I got away with it.

 

[Chris B]

There is no clear implication at all. Your argument is predicated on the basis that the holocaust was an inevitable corollary of the Nazi regime in the 1930s. It was not. It was, however, an inevitable consequence of right thinking people not doing enough to stop it, and allowing it to grow in confidence and morph into the genocidal machine it became. There are potential parallels here if people do nothing to stop the clear and obvious erosion of our liberties.

It’s probably best not to accuse someone of being disingenuous, without exploring what their view is founded upon first. You shot your load far too soon, pal.

There is a clear implication because we have only one history. That is the history in which the 1930s Nazi regime lead to WW2 and the holocaust. Minimising the evils of that regime, even in the 1930s, by comparing it to something trivial is to deny the terrible reality of history.

 

[Chris B]

A reminder of the Holocaust is not minimising it. It's reminding people what people and Governments are capable of is left unchecked.

And I don't see how mentioning the Holocaust and keeping a spotlight on it, serves to minimise it. Would you rather the Holocaust wasn't mentioned at all?

The holocaust should be remembered. It should be remembered in the proper context with respect for the victims. Comparing it to trivial contemporary events is not a fitting form of memorial, it is simply offensive because it serves to minimise the tragedy of it.

 

[paska]

I understand your comment about the premise of his argument but referring to Nazi Germany is offensive and way out of order. He should look at some of the documentaries on concentration camps. Also, where was his great concern for human rights when he happily took all the Qatari money at the World Cup.

Referring to Nazi Germany in a statement about a parallel with the lead-up to Nazi Germany is offensive?

Where can you talk about Nazi Germany? Where can you not? We have to learn from history or we are destined to repeat it. People might find it uncomfortable, but we have to speak about these things and we have to watch out for the parallels… which sometimes involves making comparisons.

Obviously those being discussed in that way might feel offended, but it doesn’t make it less true and it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be said or that people don’t have a right to say it.

Penning letters to the state broadcaster to shut down public dissent isn’t the best way of stopping comparisons with Nazi Germany

 

[ColinBellsjockstrap]

I liked it, but I'm sure things will be back to normal within a week or so, with the BBC having egg on it's face.

I don't think GL deserves his sky high salary though, Anyone could do his job for less. He's a decent presenter to be fair.

I like Shearer though, he has been there and done it, (Highest premier league scorer) and he is on a fraction of Gary's wage.

 

[blueparrot]

There is a clear implication because we have only one history. That is the history in which the 1930s Nazi regime lead to WW2 and the holocaust. Minimising the evils of that regime, even in the 1930s, by comparing it to something trivial is to deny the terrible reality of history.

Warnings from that history should then always be pointed out then. However early in that path or however unlikely that path will lead to the same outcome.
Not pointing out would be an unnecessary risk. Do you think the language was appropriate ? If no do you think it should then go unchecked ?

 

[paska]

I think Sky would say that Monday Night Football is their tactical coverage, and is ok sometimes, but I agree. I get all that stuff from podcasts and YouTube and The Athletic. I think there is a space for it on TV, but broadcasters, as you say, think differently.

Tifo and The Athletic are great for that sort of thing

 

[mattcity5]

The holocaust should be remembered. It should be remembered in the proper context with respect for the victims. Comparing it to trivial contemporary events is not a fitting form of memorial, it is simply offensive because it serves to minimise the tragedy of it.

It minimises the tragedy of it "in your eyes". To mine, it highlights the tragedy of it and serves to remind us of what we need to avoid.

Lineker's comparison wasn't to the Holocaust but to what led to it. You obviously know what went on but there are a hell of a lot of people out there who don't realise or know how things led to it. Shining a light on it should hopefully educate some.

 

[Chris B]

I was thinking the same.

I’m finding his invoking of the holocaust as a means of criticising Lineker quite contemptible and I can’t be arsed discussing it with him any more as he seems to be a bit of an idiot.

It was Lineker that brought up the Nazis, and by clear implication the crime they are most associated with, first - blame him. I agree it was a quite contemptible thing for him to do.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

There is a clear implication because we have only one history. That is the history in which the 1930s Nazi regime lead to WW2 and the holocaust. Minimising the evils of that regime, even in the 1930s, by comparing it to something trivial is to deny the terrible reality of history.

You think the erosion of our civil liberties is ‘something trivial’?

 

[city saint]

with all the fall out to the tweet do the bbc back down and reinstate him or will they die on their sword

 

[Chris B]

You think the erosion of our civil liberties is ‘something trivial’?

Civil liberties as in those freedoms that apply to citizens? Covis romanas sum as Kennedy invoked in his famous Berlin speech? I’m very keen on those and don’t consider them a trivial issue. However, I can’t detect any erosion of those in the actions of the Home Secretary. Care to enlighten me?