It’s started with the cult’s ex players but it spread. There was a lot of racism involved and as soon as Wrighty called it out, the attack dogs switched to Megan Markle (who I don’t give a shit about). Some time we just have to call it out for what it is.The press hounded Sterling because he left their darlings Liverpool and came to City.
Calling it racism is lazy and lets the press off with what the real issue is: Manchester City are hated!
Depends what its about, if I voiced an opinion on the government of a country and my company had lucrative contracts with them, there's a good chance I would be told to take a walk.Which is fine, but that’s not what happened is it? Voicing an opinion isn’t bringing your employer into disrepute.
They wouldn’t be my choice of words but she needs to be able to speak freely. We talk about home invasions when those an undertaken by two or three people so that doesn’t imply a great number of people. Influx would be an equivalent word. I don’t see it as dehumanising.
Swarm is probably less useful a strict description of events but again I don’t consider it a particularly loaded word. It does invoke the sense of a large number that overwhelms attempts to repel them. Isn’t that a fair description of what is happening - that a significant number are arriving and we can’t deal with them effectively? The backlog of asylum applications is evidence of that. I don’t think that reflects on the individual migrants, it is more a comment about the state of the system.
Getting back to the issue in hand, I don’t think the Nazis used these words (or their direct equivalents in German) to describe a situation where people were attempting to enter Germany from the outside so that undermines Lineker’s point. The situations simply are not equivalent. The Nazis are not considered one of the most evil regimes in history because they had a robust approach to asylum seekers. It is a false, and therefore offensive, equivalence.
Yeah, he wasn’t noted as someone who expressed concern for the dangers facing migrants and the like. The comparison is unconvincing. Braverman is not a Hitler like figure, and it takes a twisting of history or the present to pretend she is.Hitler as leader of the national socialist party claimed he was only in favour of equality for those who had "German blood". Jews and other "aliens" would lose their rights of citizenship, and immigration of non-Germans should be brought to an end.
So yes the Nazis were trying to stop anyone legal or illegal enter germany or deemed german teritories and wished to expell all non germans blood, this later became exterminate all non germans
So he simply meant an out of date version of German then? Come on, it is clear he was talking about the Nazi regime and all that entails.He didnt say the word nazi , he said the language of 1930 germany
This thread is about Lineker comments and the BBC, not the vocabulary of the Home Secretary.That's not really the issue at hand though is it.
Getting back to the issue in hand, I don’t think the Nazis used these words (or their direct equivalents in German) to describe a situation where people were attempting to enter Germany from the outside so that undermines Lineker’s point. The situations simply are not equivalent. The Nazis are not considered one of the most evil regimes in history because they had a robust approach to asylum seekers. It is a false, and therefore offensive, equivalence.
So he simply meant an out of date version of German then? Come on, it is clear he was talking about the Nazi regime and all that entails.
I agree and think free speech is much more important than just the usual tribal responses, it's vital for how society should work and how ideas are brought forward tried and tested.To answer your first question I am self employed, this place is the only forum/social media that I would dare post, as I think its fairly safe to air your views with others who have a common interest (supporting City).
No one gives a shit what I think or write on here apart from the odd "triggered" member.
Gary lineker is a figurehead of the bbc and has to be careful of what he says publicly as it could be seen as the view of his employers, totally different situation.
If I posted on here that I thought we were shit yesterday no one would care, but if Pep posted the same on facebook/or twitter or whatever, well, see the difference.
I am all for free speech myself and dont necessarily agree with whats happening, but surely he has no need to court controversy in his priveleged position, and I dont like the bbc sport section anyway hence my comments on it, I do help fund it though.
If there is a political side to all this I am not interested in it, just the common sense(or lack of it) from lineker.
Tell Chris b that. He wants Lineker to have "compared the govn to Hitler".... So he can be outraged, so he can justify the hatred he has of either the BBC, Lineker, lefties, take your pick.Lineker was tweeting about the language of the HS being another indication of the rise of nationalism and racial prejudice, which seems to be on the rise. Hence the comparison with 1930s Germany.
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Here ya go. If you subscribe to that you'll always have it. If you click on the drop-down menu it'll give you access to everything.Okay ta, half the time it is some computer simulation, I honestly didn't know anyone had rights.
The asylum seekers are not illegal immigants, who are usually here fraudulently and working and don’t come across the channel on dinghy's, nor are they criminals. At least not until after ther have had their cases heard and considered, then we may find one or two are. Detaining them while refusing to listen to them or treat them with decency while considering their application, that is illegal and shouldn’t be tolerated, because whose rights are ignored next.The biggest group of illegal immigrants arriving by boats are Albanians. I doubt you or I could tell them apart from British people by looking at them. A Home Secretary setting out actions to be taken against criminals (illegal migration is a crime after all) does not constitute demonisation of an ethnic group.
People have said that Lineker should have the right to compare the Nazi regime to anything he likes. Ok, that’s a view and I agree he should have that right, just that it is crass and offensive to exercise it. But surely by any standard the Home Secretary should have the right, and indeed the duty, to talk freely and frankly about people committing crimes. That is her job.
Like Klopp’s management of Liverpool apparently?Appreciate your responses Chris, but from everything you're saying throughout a number of posts, it seems we're only allowed to compare anything to Nazi Germany when the exact same thing happens. Who determines what similarities we are allowed to mention?
Meanwhile Britain moves gradually further away from having a caring and welcoming society.
The Tory’s have actually gone mad….
36 Tory MPs and Lords have decided Lineker’s suspension isn’t good enough.
They’ve written to Tim Davie demanding a full apology “without reservation” from Mr Lineker.
They also want an independent investigation.
The Streisand Effect being amplified beyond any previously known examples. Madness….
No, what's 'clear' is he was tweeting about the rhetoric (language) used by the German government in the 30'sSo he simply meant an out of date version of German then? Come on, it is clear he was talking about the Nazi regime and all that entails.
Maybe there’s a market for football without the bollocks :-)I wonder if it was the most watched MOTD in recent years due to the controversy surrounding it, I know a lot of people watched it for first time in years including myself, so probaby was