No we aren’t required to hear them in France, but if we are refusing to hear them here, and then deporting them to somewhere they don’t want to be,then we need to hear them somewhere else., if not France then where? Surely if you want to stop the boats and traffickers then an agreement with France and the EU in general would be the answer.Yes, but we’re not required to hear them in France are we? The legality of new act will doubtless be well tested in court. As you suggest I expect it will be found illegal, as I’ve said previously.
Nope, there’s little comparison to be made and by invoking it Lineker has been offensive. The UK government in 2023 is not Nazi Germany. Most of the great offices of state are held by ethnic minorities. I don’t say that Lineker’s comment necessitates any action, people are allowed to be mildly offensive now and then, but it is mildly offensive to compare the home sec to Nazis. Probably offensive to her, but more importantly offensive to the victims of the holocaust. I feel I’ve made this point now, I suspect it’s made all the traction is going to so I’ll leave it there.
There’s nothing disgraceful in the point I’ve made. I’ve engaged constructively to explain my position. If anyone is a disgrace then frankly it is you.
You are an apologist for a dangerous right wing narrative.
You are an apologist for a dangerous right wing narrative.
Nope, there’s little comparison to be made and by invoking it Lineker has been offensive. The UK government in 2023 is not Nazi Germany. I don’t say that Lineker’s comment necessitates any action, people are allowed to be mildly offensive now and then, but it is mildly offensive to compare the home sec to Nazis. Probably offensive to her, but more importantly offensive to the victims of the holocaust. I feel I’ve made this point now, I suspect it’s made all the traction is going to so I’ll leave it there.
Yes, how dare I promote a dangerous right wing narrative by criticising that rabid left winger, err, Tory MP Andrew Bridgen, when he offensively invokes the holocaust. So far right.
He was being ironic I think.You think Bridgen is left wing?
Wow.
Or maybe you've confused me now. I hope so anyway.
He was being ironic I think.
He brought up Bridgen as a direct comparison to Lineker. This was the MP who made directly equated the Holocaust with Covid vaccines. He must be a long way down the rabbit hole to think that is in any way equivalent to Lineker’s tweet.
They’re people seeking asylum, they are literally asking to be put into camps!
I’m not anti immigration, quite happy to see a decent positive net inflow tick along. Not sure what that has to do with Lineker’s casual antisemitism.And you have been wrong every one of the 1000+ times you have said it, and in so doing trivialised the holocaust for political whataboutery. And your twisting and reaching to justify an anti-immigration stance has been quite disgraceful.
But as you say, people are allowed to be wrong and disgraceful, as is the government. And peoplenare allowed to point it out. Apart from Gary Lineker of course.
I’d have thought it’s asking to be put into a home!Seeking asylum isn’t asking to be Put in a camp!?!!
@Chris B
(and anyone arguing with him).
There is no reasoning with people sometimes.
Every German and European was negatively impacted by the eventual outcome of the NSDP's rise to power.
My parents were. And they are citizens in a democracy. A free country, as my father said.
By 1936, the involuntary killing of the frail, the feeble, the sick, the "mentally ill" & deviants, was an accepted practise in Germany. I'm not sure, but I think travellers were also murdered the same way, around that time. The Einsatzgruppen B murdered them by carbon monoxide poisoning in the back of specially adapted vans, the exhaust from the engine piped into sealed rear section. You can trace organisational units, people, practises, from that, through to the use of Zyklon B in 'the showers'.
I'm not going to worry about when the concentration camps came along, but they were rounding up and holding political enemies.
Anyone who remembers seconday school was taught how we can trace the abnormal and inhuman treatment of Jewish people as a series of incremental changes, from demagoguery appealing to existing prejudice, through scapegoating, through dehumanisation, to the loss of equal legal status, loss of legal protection, forced identification, denial of property rights, denial of freedom of movement, being rounded up, them being displaced, them being used as slaves, finally as the target of industrialised mass murder.
You can't possibly tell me, we have to avoid talking about what happened at the start. That the electorate and fourth estate have to avoid questioning if there are comparisons to what happened in the early stages.
No. Of course, we have to ask ourselves those sorts of questions. That is what the survivors of WW2 begged us. Perhaps some now 'close' to the issue consider it distasteful. I think they are not as close as the people I heard from. They are over comfortable and have forgotten themselves.
History is there for us to study and learn from. To cite. To question. To provoke thought and reflection. Any attempt to stop that process is in direct opposition to the rightful norms of our democratic society.
So... I mean. You're not buying that. God help you.
Consider this tho. I have a health condition. I have a mental health diagnosis. I'm cantankerous and nearly always find myself almost like a dissident with regards to government communications and policy. My mother died at the height of COVID, in a care home, with a DNR notice.
Remember what I said about 1936. How can this not be something I would feel mattered to ME.
This is a democracy and a free country. You do not get to decide what matters to people.
BTW, any actual source for the Sharp Resignation. Gina Miller's tweet aside... and that smells like a dummy to sooth the debate.
He was being ironic I think.
He brought up Bridgen as a direct comparison to Lineker. This was the MP who directly equated the Holocaust with Covid vaccines. He must be a long way down the rabbit hole to think that is in any way equivalent to Lineker’s tweet.
I presume you must be Jewish to have the lived experience to judge whether Lineker was being casually antisemitic.I’m not anti immigration, quite happy to see a decent positive net inflow tick along. Not sure what that has to do with Lineker’s casual antisemitism.