The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

[Chris B]

I’ve already done my research. You probably need to do some yourself. Might be worth your while starting here.
https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf
You’re backtracking because you changed your definition of chancers from all asylum seekers to just Albanian ones, and you’re wrong there as well.

Not a subject I’m particularly interested in but I don’t see those figures undermining my argument. Across Europe more claims are rejected than accepted. In the UK we accept more than we reject by a ratio of nearly three to one. It suggests a problem, and that we are running a regime that is more lax than the European average.

Happy to see a proper controlled and managed asylum system, particularly helping communities where we have historical connections like Hong Kong. Albanian is a safe country, and shouldn’t be a source of 17k per annum coming over on boats unless we have a badly flawed system. We need to remove the incentives for people to come on boats, it’s only a matter of time before there’s another incident where a large number die.

 

[Coatigan]

The biggest group of illegal immigrants arriving by boats are Albanians. I doubt you or I could tell them apart from British people by looking at them. A Home Secretary setting out actions to be taken against criminals (illegal migration is a crime after all) does not constitute demonisation of an ethnic group.

How 'different' do people need to look to not look like Brits. And why would you need to be able to tell them apart by looking at them. Careful, you are on a slippery slope to invoking nazi Germany here.

 

[mattcity5]

 

[johnnytapia]

No, you need to improve your comprehension skills. What is said was, and I quote “I’m not saying that this kind of comparison can never be done”. If a holocaust survivor sees a connection based on their experience then they obviously have more leeway than someone like Lineker who does not have that background.

Likewise, it is understandable that a holocaust survivor would be prone to over sensitivity to such issues, and that their judgement might be skewed by that, as all of our judgements are informed by our life experiences. I think they have every right to talk about their experiences, I don’t think that same right extends to those who never suffered the same fate. It doesn’t mean they are right, of course.

No, you need to improve your comprehension skills. What is said was, and I quote “I’m not saying that this kind of comparison can never be done”. If a holocaust survivor sees a connection based on their experience then they obviously have more leeway than someone like Lineker who does not have that background.

Likewise, it is understandable that a holocaust survivor would be prone to over sensitivity to such issues, and that their judgement might be skewed by that, as all of our judgements are informed by our life experiences. I think they have every right to talk about their experiences, I don’t think that same right extends to those who never suffered the same fate. It doesn’t mean they are right, of course.

“Likewise, it is understandable that a holocaust survivor would be prone to over sensitivity to such issues”

We’re only in March but I think we may already have this year’s Bluemoon post of the year. Would you mind reposting it just so nobody misses it?

It truly is the ne plus ultra of insightful comment and worthy of everyone’s attention.

 

[johnnytapia]

Not a subject I’m particularly interested in but I don’t see those figures undermining my argument. Across Europe more claims are rejected than accepted. In the UK we accept more than we reject by a ratio of nearly three to one. It suggests a problem, and that we are running a regime that is more lax than the European average.

Happy to see a proper controlled and managed asylum system, particularly helping communities where we have historical connections like Hong Kong. Albanian is a safe country, and shouldn’t be a source of 17k per annum coming over on boats unless we have a badly flawed system. We need to remove the incentives for people to come on boats, it’s only a matter of time before there’s another incident where a large number die.

Like what happened at The Holocaust?

 

[west didsblue]

Not a subject I’m particularly interested in but I don’t see those figures undermining my argument. Across Europe more claims are rejected than accepted. In the UK we accept more than we reject by a ratio of nearly three to one. It suggests a problem, and that we are running a regime that is more lax than the European average.

Happy to see a proper controlled and managed asylum system, particularly helping communities where we have historical connections like Hong Kong. Albanian is a safe country, and shouldn’t be a source of 17k per annum coming over on boats unless we have a badly flawed system. We need to remove the incentives for people to come on boats, it’s only a matter of time before there’s another incident where a large number die.

The statistic that’s more significant is the number granted asylum compared to the population of the country.

As you can see we’re well under the EU average.
Compared to most countries the management of the asylum system should not be a big deal. It is because the government wants it to be to wind up fools like you.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Oh wow what a surprising turn that nobody at all could have seen coming.

I genuinely laughed out loud.

He kept up the pretence so long before just flat out admitting he doesn’t believe in the entire concept of a refugee.

He could have saved some posters about 21 hours of reading through his shite if he’d just said that from the start.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I become increasingly confused every day by the principles of those on the social right in this country.

“People these days are so afraid of offending people! Everybody is such a snowflake! People should just tell it like it is!”

“No, no, not like that. Somebody stop Gary Tweeting, he’s offending people in his microblogs *snivel*”

Very soft, aren’t they?

I laughed out loud when I heard the Tories and their followers crying about what Lineker had tweeted. If ever there was ‘woke’ and ‘cancel culture’, then they epitomised it.

The real issue for them was that they had been called out for what they were actually doing and because they’d been getting away with it, and they had, then they were upset that somebody with such following would now stop their distraction techniques (dead cat as they say).

At least now, if they do use this language again, it will be called out immediately and even those that support it will start to see how this sounds.

So, well done Gary, you’ve done us all a favour and maybe a milestone in turning this country around.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’d take his legal opinion over that **** of a Home Secretary’s, all day every day.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Lineker back on TV

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Lineker back on TV

Has he apologised?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Lineker back on TV

Good

Top top bloke and a brilliant presenter

F*ck the right wing trolls/bots and racist dickheads

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Because he condemns racism while indulging in casual anti-semitism by minimising the evil of the Nazi regime and holocaust. Andrew Bridgen was suspended from the Conservative Party for the same thing recently.

I think you are very confused.
Or thick.
Which comes from being confused
Because you are thick

 

[mattcity5]

Happy to see a proper controlled and managed asylum system, particularly helping communities where we have historical connections like Hong Kong. Albanian is a safe country, and shouldn’t be a source of 17k per annum coming over on boats unless we have a badly flawed system. We need to remove the incentives for people to come on boats, it’s only a matter of time before there’s another incident where a large number die.

This (below) was about 15 months ago. When someone shows you who they are, remember it. Don't believe them when they are forced to backtrack because of pesky things like, you know, 'law' - all they then do is get the right people in place so that they can change the laws to suit their needs.

They are fucking our country up.

‘Pushback’ of refugee boats will go ahead despite drownings, Boris Johnson vows

Tactic was thrown into doubt by complex rules – while MPs and peers warn of more tragedies to come

www.independent.co.uk

Where's the humanity?

 

[west didsblue]

Lineker back on TV

Not yet official unless I’m missing something

 

[argyle]

I become increasingly confused every day by the principles of those on the social right in this country.

“People these days are so afraid of offending people! Everybody is such a snowflake! People should just tell it like it is!”

“No, no, not like that. Somebody stop Gary Tweeting, he’s offending people in his microblogs *snivel*”

Very soft, aren’t they?

Martin Samuel would regularly write that the biggest snowflakes were those on the far right and that's why the tabloids pander to them with front pages of interest so much as they get so easily outraged over fake stories of people being outraged about something.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I’d take his legal opinion over that **** of a Home Secretary’s, all day every day.

I hear she’d struggle as a para-legal, never mind as a lawyer (and that’s not meant to be disrespectful to para-legals, in the slightest).

I note she benefitted from the Erasmus scheme and went to study in Paris for 2 years, a door that’s she’s now helped lock and bolt for everyone else in this country.
I also saw that she’d made something up in her bio, which sat on the No5 Chambers website. It said that she "is a contributor to a book by Philip Kolvin QC'. In October 2022, The Big Issue reported Kolvin saying that she "did not make a written or editorial contribution to the book", but simply "on one occasion I asked her to do some photocopying for the book".
Braverman's parliamentary office, the Home Office and No5 Chambers all declined to comment, but the claim was removed from the website after The Big Issue had enquired. Private Eye have said that the Bar Standards Board was investigating a complaint that she had made a "dishonest statement out of self-interest to promote her career".

Not an exaggeration then, just another lie, as is the following:

Private Eye also reported that Her official website had said that she was involved "in the lengthy Guantanamo Bay Inquiry into the treatment of detainees by US and UK forces", although her name does not appear in the inquiry report, and suggested she may merely have been one of scores of lawyers who had sifted through documents.

The democratic process will not miss her….

 

[argyle]

The Government know this. They know the bill will be shot down in the lords and the courts.

They get to the do their culture war of British patriots against the illegals on the right v the traitors and deep state on the left.

Essentially they want to re-run the Brexit type arguments in the General Election.

Idiots will fall for it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I hear she’d struggle as a para-legal, never mind as a lawyer (and that’s not meant to be disrespectful to para-legals, in the slightest).

I note she benefitted from the Erasmus scheme and went to study in Paris for 2 years, a door that’s she’s now helped lock and bolt for everyone else in this country.
I also saw that she’d made something up in her bio, which sat on the No5 Chambers website. It said that she "is a contributor to a book by Philip Kolvin QC'. In October 2022, The Big Issue reported Kolvin saying that she "did not make a written or editorial contribution to the book", but simply "on one occasion I asked her to do some photocopying for the book".
Braverman's parliamentary office, the Home Office and No5 Chambers all declined to comment, but the claim was removed from the website after The Big Issue had enquired. Private Eye have said that the Bar Standards Board was investigating a complaint that she had made a "dishonest statement out of self-interest to promote her career".

Not an exaggeration then, just another lie, as is the following:

Private Eye also reported that Her official website had said that she was involved "in the lengthy Guantanamo Bay Inquiry into the treatment of detainees by US and UK forces", although her name does not appear in the inquiry report, and suggested she may merely have been one of scores of lawyers who had sifted through documents.

The democratic process will not miss her….

Kolvin has has never been at No5, which makes the claim even more bizarre.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Not yet official unless I’m missing something

It was on Sky but I’m not sure now it’s not been mentioned since.