The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

west didsblue said:
It’s really up to the government to introduce legislation that makes it very expensive for the owners of empty homes to leave them empty long term. But they don’t want to do that because if they solve the problem it doesn’t help with their anti immigrant and asylum seeker rhetoric that they’re using to fuel their culture war that they hope will help them win the next election or at least avoid being wiped out.
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That will be the govt in hock to all those Russian money launderers and full of MP's who also have investments in commercial property - not a hope in hell of them doing anything
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Agreed, so I ask you again. How do you implement it.

Idealism is one thing but pragmatism and reality (however much you disagree with it) are totally different, so I ask again how will your ideals be achieved?

Not being funny but we have to deal with the hand we have been dealt not the one we would have liked to have been dealt.
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I’ve told you.
By legislation.
But the government doesn’t want to do it because it has an impact on their donors.
 
bluethrunthru said:
That will be the govt in hock to all those Russian money launderers and full of MP's who also have investments in commercial property - not a hope in hell of them doing anything
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Correct.
But it doesn’t mean it’s not what they should be doing. Hopefully a future Labour government will be less in hock to foreign criminals.
 
west didsblue said:
I’ve told you.
By legislation.
But the government doesn’t want to do it because it has an impact on their donors.
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I know that. So what your suggesting isn't (rightly or wrongly) practical, so how do we house all the existing homeless in the UK and the additional people entering the country illegally. We cannot just let everyone in without realistic and deliverable plans to accommodate them.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I know that. So what your suggesting isn't (rightly or wrongly) practical, so how do we house all the existing homeless in the UK and the additional people entering the country illegally. We cannot just let everyone in without realistic and deliverable plans to accommodate them.
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Of course it’s practical.

The problem is we have a government that would rather try and implement something that is hugely expensive, inhumane, breaks international law and is doomed to failure because of their ties to people who benefit from what they do, that also has the advantage to them that it fuels their culture war.

Simple answer is don’t believe their bullshit and vote them out.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I know that. So what your suggesting isn't (rightly or wrongly) practical, so how do we house all the existing homeless in the UK and the additional people entering the country illegally. We cannot just let everyone in without realistic and deliverable plans to accommodate them.
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To the barricades



 
BigJoe#1 said:
I know that. So what your suggesting isn't (rightly or wrongly) practical, so how do we house all the existing homeless in the UK and the additional people entering the country illegally. We cannot just let everyone in without realistic and deliverable plans to accommodate them.
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You, my friend, are falling for the Tory bullshit. We are not being 'overrun' by refugees. The problem of lack of housing, poor health service, schools and public services in general has been the running down of these services by this government. If we hadn't run them down to the point where they are now we could easily cope with extra refugees but then people like you wouldn't be complaining about 'to many illegal immigrants' and 'our system can't cope'. Wise up.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
You, my friend, are falling for the Tory bullshit. We are not being 'overrun' by refugees. The problem of lack of housing, poor health service, schools and public services in general has been the running down of these services by this government. If we hadn't run them down to the point where they are now we could easily cope with extra refugees but then people like you wouldn't be complaining about 'to many illegal immigrants' and 'our system can't cope'. Wise up.
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We are where we are and not where you, me or anyone else wants us to be.

Today, here and now we are the victims of 12 years of Tory austerity measures and we have to find a way out.

IMO a way out is definitely NOT more Tory leadership but it is equally not throwing petrol on to the flames, you are quite entitled to disagree with me as I am with you. Before we can be as benevolent as you and me want us to be we need to fix the current dilemma. The problem is we do not have any realistic options available to us. Idealism just does not work for the majority.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
You, my friend, are falling for the Tory bullshit. We are not being 'overrun' by refugees. The problem of lack of housing, poor health service, schools and public services in general has been the running down of these services by this government. If we hadn't run them down to the point where they are now we could easily cope with extra refugees but then people like you wouldn't be complaining about 'to many illegal immigrants' and 'our system can't cope'. Wise up.
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And, if taxes have been going up, revenues rising for the Chancellor, during a lengthy period of austerity, meaning we all take cuts, where has all the money gone seeing that our borrowing has risen dramatically over the period the Tories have been in government?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
We are where we are and not where you, me or anyone else wants us to be.

Today, here and now we are the victims of 12 years of Tory austerity measures and we have to find a way out.

IMO a way out is definitely NOT more Tory leadership but it is equally not throwing petrol on to the flames, you are quite entitled to disagree with me as I am with you. Before we can be as benevolent as you and me want us to be we need to fix the current dilemma. The problem is we do not have any realistic options available to us. Idealism just does not work for the majority.
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Like I said. We can fix this but it needs the will power to do it. Just to give up and say no is not a solution. I can't, never will. Yes, we are where we are but we don't have to stay there. Failure is not falling down it is staying where you fell. This government needs to step up but they won't because people like you think they can't or won't fix it.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
We are where we are and not where you, me or anyone else wants us to be.

Today, here and now we are the victims of 12 years of Tory austerity measures and we have to find a way out.

IMO a way out is definitely NOT more Tory leadership but it is equally not throwing petrol on to the flames, you are quite entitled to disagree with me as I am with you. Before we can be as benevolent as you and me want us to be we need to fix the current dilemma. The problem is we do not have any realistic options available to us. Idealism just does not work for the majority.
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So in summary it needs fixing and there’s no realistic options to do that.

That seems to be what you’re saying.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Like I said. We can fix this but it needs the will power to do it. Just to give up and say no is not a solution. I can't, never will. Yes, we are where we are but we don't have to stay there. Failure is not falling down it is staying where you fell. This government needs to step up but they won't because people like you think they can't or won't fix it.
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I tell you what.... I don't think they can't or won't fix it i KNOW they can't or won't fix it.... but sit down as you read this.... nor can or will Labour. Time will tell on that one but trust me on this one, they won't
 
west didsblue said:
So in summary it needs fixing and there’s no realistic options to do that.

That seems to be what you’re saying.
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Well that is pretty much where we are like it or not and neither I nor you can present a way forward that will be accepted by enough of a majority to change that.

Sadly, even proportional representation won't work but at least that way we'd have a better balance of the views of the voting public.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Well that is pretty much where we are like it or not and neither I nor you can present a way forward that will be accepted by enough of a majority to change that.

Sadly, even proportional representation won't work but at least that way we'd have a better balance of the views of the voting public.
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So we just sit around and moan about it and watch while our horrendous government spends a fortune trying to implement something ridiculous that we know won’t work.

Sounds like a plan.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I tell you what.... I don't think they can't or won't fix it i KNOW they can't or won't fix it.... but sit down as you read this.... nor can or will Labour. Time will tell on that one but trust me on this one, they won't
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It’s an interesting debate and one that Labour have answered by not contravening international law, abiding by set principles that ‘we’ set in place. They’ll still be tough but won’t make the UK a pariah within international circles.

Let‘s face it, we are a laughing stock on the international stage. Previously, we followed America because we thought we were the secondary leading light, only to find that the US dumped us as they were more interested in the whole of Europe.

Who‘d have guessed.
 
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