PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

mattcity5 said:
It's part of why we needed Pep in charge.

The biggest risk is always incidents around your own goal. Pep keeps us up the other end of the pitch and we keep the ball, so it reduces the chance of red cards.

Reduces though, doesn't get rid of.

We still don't get penalties we should, get called for minimal contact at times (eg Haaland at Anfield) and get dodgy decisions against us (Rashford). But the way we play minimises it, and makes it so that if a ref really wants to do us over, they have to do something ridiculous, something 'clear and obvious'.
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Yeah thats what I think. Pep's fully aware of this and is fighting it too.

I just dont think there' some meeting bewteen refs or the PL where they decide lets give utd an advantage. I think its more subtle than that, like making sure it was a City player in the referee training vids when they were explaining what is now a foul.

At the end iof the day its still cheating I suppose though, I just dont want it to sound as ridiulous as that Footballis Fixed stuff, because that will never be believed.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
If football is fixed, and City are winning title after title... Are some of you guys saying we're cheating?
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Black and white again.

There can be match-fixing for many reasons other than stopping City. The PL may want a new name on the trophy every six years, it makes complete commercial sense as an objective. So matches may be influenced. That doesn't mean they will bust a gut to stop a particular club.

They may want United and Liverpool at the top for commercial reasons. Sensible. So matches may be influenced but it may not always be possible.

They may want a close competition without one club running away with the title. Sensible commercially. So matches may be influenced, but they can only do so much.

And plenty more reasons besides. Surely there can be no doubt that some matches are influenced by different refereeing between games, even between sides in the same game?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Black and white again.

There can be match-fixing for many reasons other than stopping City. The PL may want a new name on the trophy every six years, it makes complete commercial sense as an objective. So matches may be influenced. That doesn't mean they will bust a gut to stop a particular club.

They may want United and Liverpool at the top for commercial reasons. Sensible. So matches may be influenced but it may not always be possible.

They may want a close competition without one club running away with the title. Sensible commercially. So matches may be influenced, but they can only do so much.

And plenty more reasons besides. Surely there can be no doubt that some matches are influenced by different refereeing between games, even between sides in the same game?
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They would also sooner have 5 nail biting title races even if we win every one than 5 seasons where a team runs away with it every time and the title is over by March
 
A Wolves fan in the office is totally and utterly convinced that referees are routinely biased against Wolves and that they purposely allowed Leeds to win at the weekend. Won't be persuaded otherwise.
 
BAB.DAB said:
Players have been corrupt
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We are talking about referees.

If a Premier League ref was bent it would be the biggest story of the year.

I’d be fucking delighted if some of them were outed. But it needs evidence.

And by evidence I mean evidence that can get a ref charged, not some crackpot saying he has secret recordings every week or telling us John Colqhoun is the puppet master fixing world football but with fuck all to back it up
 
Prophet of Doom said:
We are talking about referees.

If a Premier League ref was bent it would be the biggest story of the year.

I’d be fucking delighted if some of them were outed. But it needs evidence.

And by evidence I mean evidence that can get a ref charged, not some crackpot saying he has secret recordings every week or telling us John Colqhoun is the puppet master fixing world football but with fuck all to back it up
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OK, what about answering my questions
Do you think football is 100% clean, no match fixing whatsoever?
Do you think football has a problem with gambling?
 
Didsbury Dave said:
A Wolves fan in the office is totally and utterly convinced that referees are routinely biased against Wolves and that they purposely allowed Leeds to win at the weekend. Won't be persuaded otherwise.
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Wolves to be fair were one of the teams I have noticed as getting a very bad rub of the green, only exception was the year they finish in European places. You should tell to catalougue the bad calls in videos. I watched some games where they wereclearly robbed. As for the leeds game, I wouldnt agree.

Every team gets bad calls,we all know that.
 
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M18CTID said:
No doubt they'd need something more concrete but it's also worth noting that after Everton complained so vigorously about Clattenburg's refereeing in the 2007 Merseyside derby at Goodison, they succeeded in getting him banned from reffing any Everton games for a full 7 years afterwards. Now I'm not sure Everton were in any possession of any evidence pointing to Clattenburg being biased against them (although some of his decisions were dodgy as fuck in that match) but by complaining they got him removed from any of their games for a very lengthy period of time. And while I say fair play to them for succeeding in that, it's unfair on all the other clubs who had to put up with Clattenburg reffing their games during that 7 year spell.

Oh, and fast forward a couple of years from that 2007 derby debacle to one of Hughes's last matches in charge of City before he was sacked - a 3-3 draw at Bolton. That was a match reffed by Clattenburg too and he wrongly gave Bellamy a second yellow card for diving when any fucker at that end of the pitch could clearly see that he was fouled. What followed after that match were a series of revelations by City's management staff about comments made by Clattenburg around that game, which if true would've presented a clear case of him being biased against us when reffing that match. Much of that story has now been largely forgotten - not least because Hughes was sacked a week later and that became a much bigger story - but I remember hearing about it at the time and thinking if it had substance then there's no way that prick should be anywhere near a football field.
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I remember that too.
Crappenburg allegedly made some comments to Bellamy prior to the match in the tunnel too and one of their goals was allowed to stand despite it being miles offside.
Afterwards Hughes commented on the ridiculous sending off and said something about Crappenburg's integrity.
IIRC he was up for an FA charge but was sacked before the hearing.
Also remember some appalling performances by Crappenburg such as Spurs at Home in 2015/16 with the laughable penalty he gave against Sterling and Arsenal at Home in 2010/11when he sent Boyata off after 5 minutes.
 
ali benarbia's studs said:
Wolves to be fair were one of the teams I have noticed as getting a very bad rub of the green, only exception was the year they finish in European places. You should tell to catalougue the bad calls in videos. I watched some games where they wereclearly robbed. As for the leeds game, I wouldnt agree.

Every team get bad calls,we all know that.
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Yes, every team gets bad calls but their fans only watch their own games so haven't got a true insight into how it compares with other teams. They remember the bad but not the good too.
 
Centurions said:
I really do believe that City's owners talk softly but carry a big stick. There have been various refs and officials who have been quietly moved on elsewhere who have crossed us in the past. They can't all be coincidences.
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When i was young there was a phrase. An iron fist in a velvet glove. Pretty sure that's how we play it. No good getting aggressive and angry in public, keep calm and fuck the rest. Our time is coming....
 
Didsbury Dave said:
A Wolves fan in the office is totally and utterly convinced that referees are routinely biased against Wolves and that they purposely allowed Leeds to win at the weekend. Won't be persuaded otherwise.
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My cousin is a Wolves fan,he went on Saturday to 'The Golden Palace' (as he calls it), He brother calls it 'The Custard Bowl' , and said they were the better side but the ref was awful. I've heard that too often
 
Prophet of Doom said:
We are talking about referees.

If a Premier League ref was bent it would be the biggest story of the year.

I’d be fucking delighted if some of them were outed. But it needs evidence.

And by evidence I mean evidence that can get a ref charged, not some crackpot saying he has secret recordings every week or telling us John Colqhoun is the puppet master fixing world football but with fuck all to back it up
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:) You seem to know a lot about his beliefs

I sense something of a logical issue here. Presumably you believe the club's board and management when they say they have irrefutable evidence of the club's innocence. I imagine you do that because you value their professionalism, honesty and integrity. But then they also think the FIF guy is reliable enough to pay for his analysis. So which is it? They are gullible and crazy for being associated with the FIF guy? Or they are professional people of integrity who should be believed?

Personally, I trust the management to make the right decisions in the club's interests. If that involves paying the FIF guy for his analysis, I trust there will be value in that as well.
 
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