The Labour Party

[The Future’s Blue!]

Comes across well but is still a politician I wouldn't trust to take my Dog out for a walk.

We have hit rock bottom in politics in this country,

All the same, aren‘t they?

 

[mexico1970]

All the same, aren‘t they?

Is this one of these "you're either with us or against us?" remarks? If you can't see they are all cunts that's your issue.

Vote Labour=Fuck Off
Vote Tory= Fuck off
Vote Green= (Going to change the world that bunch)

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Is this one of these "you're either with us or against us?" remarks? If you can't see they are all cunts that's your issue.

Vote Labour=Fuck Off
Vote Tory= Fuck off
Vote Green= (Going to change the world that bunch)

Not at all, just a statement that is used to deflect by those who don’t want, or refuse to see where we are at the moment.

You state that Rayner comes across well but then denigrate your own thoughts by saying they’re all the same, completely dismissing your original statement.

I don’t really care who you voted for, or what, my position is very clear. Whatever happened in the past, if you still hold value in these last years of Tory rule then you are an enemy of the people, because you are either looking after yourself and your money, or you’re thick as mince and a Johnson’s johnson. Simple really.

Doesn’t mean that your any less a Blue, just a very different one from me.

 

[mexico1970]

Not at all, just a statement that is used to deflect by those who don’t want, or refuse to see where we are at the moment.

You state that Rayner comes across well but then denigrate your own thoughts by saying they’re all the same, completely dismissing your original statement.

I don’t really care who you voted for, or what, my position is very clear. Whatever happened in the past, if you still hold value in these last years of Tory rule then you are an enemy of the people, because you are either looking after yourself and your money, or you’re thick as mince and a Johnson’s johnson. Simple really.

Doesn’t mean that your any less a Blue, just a very different one from me.

Labour are Tories and the Tories are Tories and this woman is a Labour MP, you see where I am going with this?

Even left wingers on here are disappointed with politicians even more so Labour politicians.

I didn't vote Tory in the last election I voted Labour and it was for nothing, I stated "They are all the same" and they are, this has fuck all to do with being a Tory because I am not it's has everything to do with being a realist.

You go ahead and vote the Tory party in that wears a red badge and see where that gets you next time around.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Labour are Tories and the Tories are Tories and this woman is a Labour MP, you see where I am going with this?

Even left wingers on here are disappointed with politicians even more so Labour politicians.

I didn't vote Tory in the last election I voted Labour and it was for nothing, I stated "They are all the same" and they are, this has fuck all to do with being a Tory because I am not it's has everything to do with being a realist.

You go ahead and vote the Tory party in that wears a red badge and see where that gets you next time around.

The majority of people on here are disappointed with the ousting of Corbyn and the loss of control of the party by the Unions following the hammering Labour got, which everyone thought he would win.

Like many, and I include myself, we watched as the public turned on Corbyn as he was outflanked by those that he should’ve known would come, leaving the people to face the consequences.

And, for the record, I will be voting Labour at the GE to ensure this shower are out of power and give us chance to reset. From that point on I’ll see what they do and judge them on what they achieve, or don’t.

Oh, and I myself am a realist and realise that we’ve been fucked over for many years. If you cannot realise that, and that there really is minimal choice, then I’m not the one to debate with.

 

[mexico1970]

The majority of people on here are disappointed with the ousting of Corbyn and the loss of control of the party by the Unions following the hammering Labour got, which everyone thought he would win.

Like many, and I include myself, we watched as the public turned on Corbyn as he was outflanked by those that he should’ve known would come, leaving the people to face the consequences.

And, for the record, I will be voting Labour at the GE to ensure this shower are out of power and give us chance to reset. From that point on I’ll see what they do and judge them on what they achieve, or don’t.

Oh, and I myself am a realist and realise that we’ve been fucked over for many years. If you cannot realise that, and that there really is minimal choice, then I’m not the one to debate with.

Again I voted Labour last time around, if you can't see what a shower of shit Labour are then that's on you mate.

And enough of the "Enemy of the people" drama it's very very silly ;)

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Again I voted Labour last time around, if you can't see what a shower of shit Labour are then that's on you mate.

And enough of the "Enemy of the people" drama it's very very silly ;)

As a person who actually listens, and sees where Labour are at, I don’t see them as a shower, I see them as a group that can turn the tide, or at least put up a barrier to stem the flow.

Take the NHS for example, I keep seeing on here that Labour somehow want to privatise them, linking Streeting to privatised companies. It’s worse than reading the Mail and the complete opposite of what Labour’s plans are.

Then there’s education, where Labour want to change the ethos and bring better education for our children, or children’s children in my case. That then gets reported completely differently and the detail is completely lost.

Small boats?

Think about it, how many Labour ideas/policies have the Tories stolen to give them some popularity when they’ve been on their arse.

I‘m not interested in spin, I’ll judge on what they actually say do.

Do you know what they are saying and going to do?

 

[mexico1970]

As a person who actually listens, and sees where Labour are at, I don’t see them as a shower, I see them as a group that can turn the tide, or at least put up a barrier to stem the flow.

Take the NHS for example, I keep seeing on here that Labour somehow want to privatise them, linking Streeting to privatised companies. It’s worse than reading the Mail and the complete opposite of what Labour’s plans are.

Then there’s education, where Labour want to change the ethos and bring better education for our children, or children’s children in my case. That then gets reported completely differently and the detail is completely lost.

Small boats?

Think about it, how many Labour ideas/policies have the Tories stolen to give them some popularity when they’ve been on their arse.

I‘m not interested in spin, I’ll judge on what they actually say do.

Do you know what they are saying and going to do?

I admire the optimism in your words mate but I don't share the optimism with you. I'm trying to remember a modern politician who isn't/wasn't a grifter.

To be fair I am not going to vote anymore and stick to my belief that Westmonster is real and they can all (Using the vernacular of the day) "get to fuck".

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I admire the optimism in your words mate but I don't share the optimism with you. I'm trying to remember a modern politician who isn't/wasn't a grifter.

To be fair I am not going to vote anymore and stick to my belief that Westmonster is real and they can all (Using the vernacular of the day) "get to fuck".

I get it, and it’s your choice. Me, and it’s nothing to do with optimism, I honestly think that Labour will bring good to this country. It’s just a matter of when the rich decide to pilfer the coffers again, which is how our state is designed after 13 year Tory rule.

My eye will be on regulatory change, let’s see how Labour do.

 

[west didsblue]

Again I voted Labour last time around, if you can't see what a shower of shit Labour are then that's on you mate.

And enough of the "Enemy of the people" drama it's very very silly ;)

I prefer to reserve judgment on whether they’re a shower of shit until after they’ve had a chance to actually govern. Making that judgment now seems somewhat premature and has to be based on spin rather than reality because we don’t know what the reality is yet.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

As a person who actually listens, and sees where Labour are at, I don’t see them as a shower, I see them as a group that can turn the tide, or at least put up a barrier to stem the flow.

Take the NHS for example, I keep seeing on here that Labour somehow want to privatise them, linking Streeting to privatised companies. It’s worse than reading the Mail and the complete opposite of what Labour’s plans are.

Then there’s education, where Labour want to change the ethos and bring better education for our children, or children’s children in my case. That then gets reported completely differently and the detail is completely lost.

Small boats?

Think about it, how many Labour ideas/policies have the Tories stolen to give them some popularity when they’ve been on their arse.

I‘m not interested in spin, I’ll judge on what they actually say do.

Do you know what they are saying and going to do?

Of course we know what labour are going to do - it's all on record in starmers 10 pledges he used to seize power in the party.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Of course we know what labour are going to do - it's all on record in starmers 10 pledges he used to seize power in the party.

Seize power? I don’t think he needed to do that following that defeat. More of ‘Pass the keys and don’t let the door hit you on the way out’.

I’d say it was the Unions who seized power to get Corbyn into the seat and if you are working by that principle, no wonder it comes back to bite you on the arse.

As for pledges, I don’t listen. Life changes, promising something starts when you have the the ability to act on it. These might just have a chance.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Seize power? I don’t think he needed to do that following that defeat. More of ‘Pass the keys and don’t let the door hit you on the way out’.

I’d say it was the Unions who seized power to get Corbyn into the seat and if you are working by that principle, no wonder it comes back to bite you on the arse.

As for pledges, I don’t listen. Life changes, promising something starts when you have the the ability to act on it. These might just have a chance.

I think you probably need to look at the roots of the labour party and labour movement - you'll be alarmed to see the whole thing was a sinister trade union plot (lol).

 

[Vic]

Labour are Tories and the Tories are Tories and this woman is a Labour MP, you see where I am going with this?

Even left wingers on here are disappointed with politicians even more so Labour politicians.

I didn't vote Tory in the last election I voted Labour and it was for nothing, I stated "They are all the same" and they are, this has fuck all to do with being a Tory because I am not it's has everything to do with being a realist.

You go ahead and vote the Tory party in that wears a red badge and see where that gets you next time around.

You forget, the left weren't happy about Tony Blair MP (anagram of I'm Tory Plan B).

If we can restore any of the competency, decency and sunlit uplands of 1997-2010 I'll be happy.

"ALL THE SAME" is just Tory voters justifying their bad choice.

 

[Postman Pep]

 

[wattle]

Labour are Tories and the Tories are Tories and this woman is a Labour MP, you see where I am going with this?

Even left wingers on here are disappointed with politicians even more so Labour politicians.

I didn't vote Tory in the last election I voted Labour and it was for nothing, I stated "They are all the same" and they are, this has fuck all to do with being a Tory because I am not it's has everything to do with being a realist.

You go ahead and vote the Tory party in that wears a red badge and see where that gets you next time around.

So the big question is, who do you vote for this time round if not labour? That’s not a dig, it's a genuine question. You can’t slag a party off for being a shit government before they’ve had a chance surely? What’s the alternative? Keep this load of criminals in? Not a chance! I don’t think a Labour government will be a bed of roses at all. But the thought of keeping this lot in is totally unthinkable.

 

[mexico1970]

So the big question is, who do you vote for this time round

None of the above?

 

[wattle]

None of the above?

Voting for anyone else, no matter how good or great for the country/planet etc they are, keeps that lot in. It’s a shit show of a situation but I just don’t think I could stay in this excuse of a country if that happened

 

[oldius]

I will vote Labour. I will do so to remove the Conservatives from power. I am sick of the constant hate, the removal of vital services and the cronyism that allows the nation to be the recognised global tax-avoidance leader. I will vote Labour in the full knowledge that they are not exactly as I would wish them to be. Unfortunately, the Labour that I would wish for, close to the manifesto pledges of 2019, will not attain power. It will not do so until the current media powerbase is shifted, from the tax havens of Bermuda, the Channel Islands, or the Caymans, to a press that acts in the best interests of the nation. I have never witnessed a government as bad as the current one, and I am in my sixth decade. I hope that the younger generation is more pre-disposed to caring for people than blaming the vulnerable for the sins of the powerful.

 

[blueinsa]

As a person who actually listens, and sees where Labour are at, I don’t see them as a shower, I see them as a group that can turn the tide, or at least put up a barrier to stem the flow.

Seriously? How?

I’ve not heard of one single well thought out policy of their own yet so what change they are going to make I’ve literally zero idea as of now?

Here is my take…. They will change fuck all. Spend 5/10 years blaming everything on Tory austerity, how certain things are unable to be changed, how promises made are now unable to be delivered upon and then we will see yet another Tory government voted in.

Rinse and fucking repeat…