Josko Gvardiol

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BrazilianGus said:
Leipzig has made it clear from the start they would only sell Gvardiol if it were to become the biggest CB transfer ever, that’s where the £86M number comes from
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Do you believe everything you read in the papers ?
Do you think Leipzig and city tell journalists everything ?
Do you think certain things are leaked to aide negotiations
Could we be willing to pay £86 million but are just arguing over the terms or added bonuses ?
Could there be other factors involved ?
Do you think a 100 euro million deal plus wages is a complex thing ?

I reckon all of the above and more for what it’s worth
 
BrazilianGus said:
It’s pretty obvious I am talking about specific transfers.
I also won’t lie and say I haven’t celebrated some our transfer failures in the past as I didn’t want certain players or wanted others instead. But they were still failures
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Ok - so you didn’t mean City are failing on the business side, but that we’re failing on the business side of transfers?

I’d still argue against that too, if you look at our net spend - not that I personally give a shit about that stat, but it’s the best metric to measure the success or otherwise of the commercial side of transfer dealings.

The reality is people don’t like the fact we have a price and stick to it. It’s not much ‘fun’ as a transfer strategy, and people get impatient.

They see clubs like United, Arsenal and Chelsea paying whatever the selling club wants, getting deals done quickly, and want us to do the same.

And when we don’t, it gets branded as a failure.

That simply isn’t how City operate - and if you look at our incredible, unrivalled success both on and off the pitch, I just don’t see how you can credibly argue that our approach isn’t the best around.

Its incredibly successful. It’s just it’s sometimes a bit boring and frustrating for us as fans.
 
Sheikh rattle and roll said:
Then negotiated a deal
They are top drawer too many factors in any deal
Look how the club had been turned around and progressed
Similar spending to Utd Liverpool and Arsenal etc etc
However a bigger trophy haul and a bigger profit margin all for a lower net spend
Therefore means they are the best in the business
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Or maybe it means that we have the best manager ever. I am not saying our business side is bad, but with Pep everything is way easier.

You don't get your primary target? No worries, Pep will figure out a new formation or will improve the 3rd option you got him.

Selling players is hard? No worries, Pep improves every player and he doesn't like unhappy players, so we will sell good assets which are much easier to sell for good prices.

Want to grow the brand? No worries Pep has the best ratio of titles/season of any manager which facilitates growing your business a lot.

As I said, our business side is good, but Pep has made everything much easier. You would have to actually suck in business to not grow exponentially when Pep is your manager.
 
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Sheikh rattle and roll said:
Do you believe everything you read in the papers ?
Do you think Leipzig and city tell journalists everything ?
Do you think certain things are leaked to aide negotiations
Could we be willing to pay £86 million but are just arguing over the terms or added bonuses ?
Could there be other factors involved ?
Do you think a 100 euro million deal plus wages is a complex thing ?

I reckon all of the above and more for what it’s worth
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I certainly hope it gets done. We have been negotiating it for awhile and I don’t think it was expected that this wouldn’t have been resolved by now. The longer it goes on, the more dangerous it becomes
As for the price, this is no secret, their CEO has said so in interviews.
 
Sheikh rattle and roll said:
Exactly that’s my understanding
So our guys are smart then
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Our execs didn’t.

Our owner and his No2 did. And Pep’s mate did. The exces/board members were put in place one by one overtime. And have been constantly shuffled about.

Before Pep came Hughes (sacked and humiliated publicly along with Beanie) Mancini (sacked disgracefully on FA Cup Final day), Pellegrini (politely and respectfully moved on).
 
I do think Pep papers over some cracks. He’s the best manager in the world and some summer windows have been weird. Going into a season without a Kompany replacement, going into a season not replacing our all time leading goal scorer in Aguero meaning Pep had to improvise with a false 9 when he wanted Kane.

Any other manager with those transfer windows doesn’t win anything. But we have Pep who’s a genius. Who can turn average players into world class Akanji an example, when Pep does leave which I hope isn’t soon , those cracks may show a lot more. Another manager might not be able to do the same if they get those weird windows.
 
BrazilianGus said:
I didn’t want Cucurella, made it clear on this very board. I don’t think we can judge him based on one season at the worst and messiest Chelsea has looked in ages — it certainly wasn’t his fault, he was caught up in it. But Pep and the club wanted him. It’s funny, you back the club’s choices but they wanted a dogshit player? I don’t judge players retrospectively based on how they performed in clubs they eventually joined. I believe the majority of them would have actually excelled with us
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Yeah that's fair comment.
 
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