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bluenova said:
My post said that there "goals/assists and playing time were very close again this season", which was what people were replying to. I think Alvarez is definitely the better "City player", but Nunez is a fast, powerful player, instinctive player who gets himself into a huge number of shooting positions. I find the Andy Carroll stuff funny, but realistically, Nunez is way beyond his level.

I just find it amusing that players of our rivals are nearly always "rubbish" or "total shit" - put them in the Southampton or Brighton team and this site would give them a fair hearing, but stick them in a Liverpool or United team and they're abysmal. I know it's in part the nature of fandom, but it just feels off sometimes to me - I suspect it's partly because I enjoy beating teams that I consider to be impressive :)
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I was only replying to the post I saw in which you indicated they had similar records, which is not accurate.

As I said in my reply, I agreed with some of what you said regarding how players are assessed based on transfer price rather than actual performance. But I did want to point out that Alvarez was better regardless of whether one is comparing them on value or pure performance.
 
Craig said:
Oh right, so the way they treat gays and women doesn’t put them up there with some of the most oppressive countries then? End of the day you’re defending cunts with a counter argument that there are plenty of others on a par with them.
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Whoosh ....

Exactly who are you arguing with here?

Anyway, to your wider point. To western eyes, their treatment of women and homosexuals is oppressive, but to other people in the world, they are not for whatever reason. Is the western viewpoint the only one that matters? What about the African viewpoint, the Middle Eastern viewpoint, the Asian view point. Last time I checked, those regions make up a significant proportion of the global population. To you as a westerner, maybe the western viewpoint is the only one, but the world is large and complex and, whilst it may be moving as a whole in the general direction of western morality, it will happen at different paces in different parts of the world. Should we encourage such movement by engaging with modernisation projects or punish the non-compliance with exclusion based on our own standards of morality?

Frankly, I don't care much one way or the other.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Er yes. Strange question.

Are some bankers?
Are some politicians?
Are some estate agents?
Etc.

There's no formula, but it's obvious when you see it.
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I don’t think it’s strange. He’ll be earning more & had more money but I wonder the difference of when it goes from greed to understanding your value / worth.
 
cheekybids said:
I don’t think it’s strange. He’ll be earning more & had more money but I wonder the difference of when it goes from greed to understanding your value / worth.
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Hypocrisy and abandoning of sanctimonious proclamations are a good start.
Nobody objects to moving jobs to earn more. But if you have been vociferous and visible to support issues and causes your actions are now contrary to, and are abandoning your credibility for monetary gain - It's fair to say it's greed.
 
the blue panther said:
It's both. He's perfectly entitled to do as he pleases but it exposes how shallow his LGBT support actually was, imho - I accept that may not be your view.
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I doubt many footballers are arsed about LGBT issues. They probably just want to go to work and get on with their job like the vast majority of people. As captain of his club, if the club are supporting LGBT initiatives then of course he'll wear the rainbow armband / laces etc, but he's not on a personal crusade. Although I'm enjoying the schaudenfreude aspect to the dippers hero selling out, I do find it a bit tiresome when some people think they are entitled to dictate where a sportsman should work on the basis of their own social justice cause celebre. If we want to get on our moral high horse about KSA then their use of the arms we sell them may be a better starting point.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Er yes. Strange question.

Are some bankers?
Are some politicians?
Are some estate agents?
Etc.

There's no formula, but it's obvious when you see it.
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I think, lamentably, having more money than you could ever need tends to make people more greedy, not less.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Hypocrisy and abandoning of sanctimonious proclamations are a good start.
Nobody objects to moving jobs to earn more. But if you have been vociferous and visible to support issues and causes your actions are now contrary to, and are abandoning your credibility for monetary gain - It's fair to say it's greed.
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He was very sanctimonious along with so many but I also think being the figurehead for the most sanctimonious club in the world he got carried away.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Hypocrisy and abandoning of sanctimonious proclamations are a good start.
Nobody objects to moving jobs to earn more. But if you have been vociferous and visible to support issues and causes your actions are now contrary to, and are abandoning your credibility for monetary gain - It's fair to say it's greed.
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Naah, it's fairer to say the support for those issues was shallow and insincere in the first place. Hypocritical to go to Saudi maybe, if he really had strongly held views on those issues, which I doubt.

Abandoning virtue signaling for a great deal more money is a good financial decision for him and his family, not greed.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Naah, it's fairer to say the support for those issues was shallow and insincere in the first place. Hypocritical to go to Saudi maybe, if he really had strongly held views on those issues, which I doubt.

Abandoning virtue signaling for a great deal more money is a good financial decision for him and his family, not greed.
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Such a sad post. On many levels. But OK
 
SebastianBlue said:
I was only replying to the post I saw in which you indicated they had similar records, which is not accurate.

As I said in my reply, I agreed with some of what you said regarding how players are assessed based on transfer price rather than actual performance. But I did want to point out that Alvarez was better regardless of whether one is comparing them on value or pure performance.
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That's forums for you :)

You can't repeat everything in every post, and I know I do the same myself.

I think with confidence, he's a great player for Liverpool - Klopp has tried to change things in the last couple of seasons, but they still thrive on creating chaos, which he's very good at.

I know I'd get more likes by saying Klopp is shit, and every Liverpool player is crap, and without regular caffeine boosts they'd be nowhere (something that Bernardo was clearly hinting at with his subtle protest), but I don't really believe that ;)
 
halfcenturyup said:
Naah, it's fairer to say the support for those issues was shallow and insincere in the first place. Hypocritical to go to Saudi maybe, if he really had strongly held views on those issues, which I doubt.

Abandoning virtue signaling for a great deal more money is a good financial decision for him and his family, not greed.
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I agree with your first sentence.

However, I do not agree with your last sentence.

Holding views opposed to brutal, totalitarian rule of a nation is not virtue signalling.

And those views can be held at the same time as one works in or for such regimes (otherwise, nothing would every change anywhere; history has shown that the most effective way to affect change without bloody conflict is through cultural exchange and trade). That’s not to mention that nowhere in the world exists in an absolute “good” or “bad” state, and definitely not Saudi Arabia. As I said in a post in the Saudi League thread, we shouldn’t assume the general populace is the same as their leaders, especially in a police state ruled over by an absolute monarchy (where the only means of changing leadership is through a bloody revolution, with no certainty of success, but certain extreme hardship, regardless of the outcome).

It is, however, highly hypocritical (and revealing) when one seemingly *completely* abandons those beliefs when money is involved, which seems to be the case here (and with certain vitriolic City critics that spend quite a bit of time on WhatsApp). I say that, as I can’t imagine Henderson will be espousing his supposed support of LGBTQ+ rights whilst under contract there.

But perhaps he will surprise us all.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Surely Henderson will be domiciled in the UK for tax purposes while he’s out there, paying taxes to the Treasury and supporting vital public services.
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No, he’ll spend over 183 days in Saudi so he doesn’t need to pay UK tax, he’s a greedy, no morals fucker who spouted shite about gays and Saudi, he meant nothing, just tried to make himself look PC, well he is PC, Posturing ****, fuck off Henderson you piece of shit.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I agree with your first sentence.

However, I do not agree with your last sentence.

Holding views opposed to brutal, totalitarian rule of a nation is not virtue signalling.

And those views can be held at the same time as one works in or for such regimes (otherwise, nothing would every change anywhere; history has shown that the most effective way to affect change without bloody conflict is through cultural exchange and trade). That’s not to mention that nowhere in the world exists in an absolute “good” or “bad” state, and definitely not Saudi Arabia. As I said in a post in the Saudi League thread, we shouldn’t assume the general populace is the same as their leaders, especially in a police state ruled over by an absolute monarchy (where the only means of changing leadership is through a bloody revolution, with no certainty of success, but certain extreme hardship, regardless of the outcome).

It is, however, highly hypocritical (and revealing) when one seemingly *completely* abandons those beliefs when money is involved, which seems to be the case here (and with certain vitriolic City critics that spend quite a bit of time on WhatsApp). I say that, as I can’t imagine Henderson will be espousing his supposed support of LGBTQ+ rights whilst under contract there.

But perhaps he will surprise us all.
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My old debating friend.

If you agree with my first sentence that Henderson didn't really have firm beliefs about the issues, then he can't be hypocritical for abandoning them. Coniving, maybe, untrustworthy definitely, a **** if you will, but I can't call him hypocritical for making a sound financial decision.

Then again, I am old and tired. I have lived and worked in most regions of the world, as you probably have, and I came to the conclusion, a long time ago, that most people everywhere are cunts motivated by personal benefit. Nothing but respect for the few motivated by bettering the lives of their fellow man, but Henderson isn't one of them. Still, I won't criticise him for going, the coniving, untrustworthy ****.
 
I would say the percentage of humans that is morally pure, or even in the ballpark, is tiny. Such people do exist, however. They're just very rare.

Most of us have a price. It's just a question of how big it is. Most of us will never be given the opportunity to be tempted.
 
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