United Thread - 2023/24

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Colin Bells Boots said:
Every normal/genuine football supporter should appreciate their own club when there are cunts like them around.
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That’s the difference between us and them, even when we were terrible I enjoyed following and supporting the club. They don’t have that enjoyment, the only pleasure United has given them is behaving like twats in their social circles bragging about how many trophies they have won. Success is the only attachment they have to their football club, enjoying watching your team every week and enjoying the football however bad it is they don’t have the mental fortitude to do it.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Thing about that club…
It seems to me that there are very, very few United supporters, and almost none under the age of fifty, who grasp that they got incredibly lucky— triply so — with a convergence of three factors. People talk sneeringly about us winning the lottery. But in their way, they did.
They had the emergence of an admittedly talented group of youngsters — a once in a generation thing — at exactly the time that English football started to be broadcast to the world, courtesy of satellite television. And they had Ferguson, who was exactly the right kind of fairly authoritarian father-figure manager for that group of players, at that time. His style would not work today, I believe, and not with an older group of established pros. Not with the coverage and stardom that players have now. Not for one second.
Everything came together for them at the beginning of the nineties. The stars aligned. The whole image of United as the “world club” was completely skewed by the emergence of satellite broadcasting, to corners of the world where nobody would ever get within five thousand miles of the U.K. in their entire lives, but who would sit on their sofa, year in year out, (then as now), and call themselves, with no sense of irony or distance, a United supporter.
They were most emphatically not the dominant force at any time before that. I was looking back at First Division winners. They were champions three times in the fifties. Yes, unquestionably a good decade for them. Busby's most triumphant decade, for sure, when you think where he and they started from after the war. But including themselves, there were five different champions in that decade. Wolves were also champions three times! Who remembers that, apart from Wolves fans?
In the sixties, they were champions twice. And in that decade, there were no less than seven different champions (including themselves). The truth is that no-one was dominant, and certainly not them. There was a group of big clubs, for sure — we have a reasonable claim to be one of them. But no-one stood out as dominant.
When United fans, led by cheerleader Neville, put themselves forward with this hypnotic mantra of “the world's biggest club”, they are suffering from a collective amnesia concerning football history pre the nineties. And they seem to be genuinely unaware of it.
It's over. They think they're going to get back to it, but it really is over. Yes, they probably won't be relegated (unfortunately). They sure as hell will never go down to the third level of English football. (So if they think they've got it bad now, they really need to think again). They are sort of on the level, in the sporting domain, of “banks who are considered to be too big to be allowed to fail” in the capitalist one. But they have dropped back into the pack of biggish clubs, who will usually get top four, will get the occasional trophy — League Cup, F.A. Cup, hell, who knows, even the league, maybe, from time to time (not as long as Pep's around, though!).
I just don't meet any middle-aged or young supporters (and by that I mean under fifty or so!) who are lucid about this. Maybe others on here, who've got rag mates, do? And the most visible sign of that delusion is of course Neville himself. He seems to think it's just a matter of time before they catch City up. But it's not just City! Liverpool, Arsenal, maybe increasingly Newcastle, will be in the mix, too. They find themselves in a dogfight in a way that they almost never were between 1992 and approximately 2011. That period was a warp in time.
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Before bacon the terrible tragedy put them on the map worldwide and why Liverpool hated them so much was they got so much airtime paper time for being an average side there were few teams with more titles than them before bacon..
 
Makes me laugh how Neville seems to blame the Glazers for all Utd's recent struggles. Let's get things straight the club has been totally mismanaged from top to bottom, but Ten Hag is accountable for the player recruitment and tactics.
 
Iassel said:
The thing is, he has shown that he isn’t wank, and can be a 20 league goals a season striker…

But now that he’s gotten another mega bucks new deal he clearly doesn’t care anymore.

Absolute wrong’un with the worlds best PR team.
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He's never scored 20 league goals in his career , 22 league goals in his last 65 games
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Thing about that club…
It seems to me that there are very, very few United supporters, and almost none under the age of fifty, who grasp that they got incredibly lucky— triply so — with a convergence of three factors. People talk sneeringly about us winning the lottery. But in their way, they did.
They had the emergence of an admittedly talented group of youngsters — a once in a generation thing — at exactly the time that English football started to be broadcast to the world, courtesy of satellite television. And they had Ferguson, who was exactly the right kind of fairly authoritarian father-figure manager for that group of players, at that time. His style would not work today, I believe, and not with an older group of established pros. Not with the coverage and stardom that players have now. Not for one second.
Everything came together for them at the beginning of the nineties. The stars aligned. The whole image of United as the “world club” was completely skewed by the emergence of satellite broadcasting, to corners of the world where nobody would ever get within five thousand miles of the U.K. in their entire lives, but who would sit on their sofa, year in year out, (then as now), and call themselves, with no sense of irony or distance, a United supporter.
They were most emphatically not the dominant force at any time before that. I was looking back at First Division winners. They were champions three times in the fifties. Yes, unquestionably a good decade for them. Busby's most triumphant decade, for sure, when you think where he and they started from after the war. But including themselves, there were five different champions in that decade. Wolves were also champions three times! Who remembers that, apart from Wolves fans?
In the sixties, they were champions twice. And in that decade, there were no less than seven different champions (including themselves). The truth is that no-one was dominant, and certainly not them. There was a group of big clubs, for sure — we have a reasonable claim to be one of them. But no-one stood out as dominant.
When United fans, led by cheerleader Neville, put themselves forward with this hypnotic mantra of “the world's biggest club”, they are suffering from a collective amnesia concerning football history pre the nineties. And they seem to be genuinely unaware of it.
It's over. They think they're going to get back to it, but it really is over. Yes, they probably won't be relegated (unfortunately). They sure as hell will never go down to the third level of English football. (So if they think they've got it bad now, they really need to think again). They are sort of on the level, in the sporting domain, of “banks who are considered to be too big to be allowed to fail” in the capitalist one. But they have dropped back into the pack of biggish clubs, who will usually get top four, will get the occasional trophy — League Cup, F.A. Cup, hell, who knows, even the league, maybe, from time to time (not as long as Pep's around, though!).
I just don't meet any middle-aged or young supporters (and by that I mean under fifty or so!) who are lucid about this. Maybe others on here, who've got rag mates, do? And the most visible sign of that delusion is of course Neville himself. He seems to think it's just a matter of time before they catch City up. But it's not just City! Liverpool, Arsenal, maybe increasingly Newcastle, will be in the mix, too. They find themselves in a dogfight in a way that they almost never were between 1992 and approximately 2011. That period was a warp in time.
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This message will self destruct in 5…4…3..2…1…

The rags don’t need any help. Best club in the world and all that…

Ten hags army will soon put it right.

Nail on head but let’s not let the rags become aware.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
That’s the difference between us and them, even when we were terrible I enjoyed following and supporting the club. They don’t have that enjoyment, the only pleasure United has given them is behaving like twats in their social circles bragging about how many trophies they have won. Success is the only attachment they have to their football club, enjoying watching your team every week and enjoying the football however bad it is they don’t have the mental fortitude to do it.
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It's character building going through thin and then even thinner .

Fed up at times but never thinking of chucking it in, and god how we have been rewarded for our staying power and love of the club.

Never had it so good !
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
It's character building going through thin and then even thinner .

Fed up at times but never thinking of chucking it in, and god how we have been rewarded for our staying power and love of the club.

Never had it so good !
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Watching City in the third tier was up there with my favourite seasons with the likes of 2012 and this season. We don’t have a divine right to success like any other club, if we go back to where we were pre 2008 so what. It’s still following City.
 
urban genie said:
That last sentance





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What a mardy arse
 
waspish said:
Before bacon the terrible tragedy put them on the map worldwide and why Liverpool hated them so much was they got so much airtime paper time for being an average side there were few teams with more titles than them before bacon..
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This is a typo, right? You mean, there were “a few”?
There were plenty, in fact.

And I wonder about the first claim, actually. I mean, I genuinely wonder about it. They unquestionably had a huge capital of sympathy in the nation at large after Munich. I remember it well myself, during the sixties. In Britain, the story of Busby coming back from the edge of death (and I hasten to add that I have no disrespect for Matt Busby, and quite a measure of admiration) garnered huge sympathy through the press, and of course winning the European Cup in ’68 was part of that trajectory. But in Europe? Sort of doubt it. United were nothing much in Europe in the seventies and eighties, as I remember it. And in the world at large? Very much doubt it.
I suppose we all remember those times differently, maybe.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Watching City in the third tier was up there with my favourite seasons with the likes of 2012 and this season. We don’t have a divine right to success like any other club, if we go back to where we were pre 2008 so what. It’s still following City.
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Been a City supporter since 1954, so I have seen all the good and not-so-good for some time, and would never have changed it .


Watching the rag cunts snapping up trophies and giving it the big 'un all the time only helped to reinforce my love and realise what real weak minded and arrogant set of cunts they really are. They will never be able to call themselves genuine supporters, but as " hangers-on and glory-hunters, they are the best in the world ".

They totally deserve what they are experiencing ..............and then some !
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
This is a typo, right? You mean, there were “a few”?
There were plenty, in fact.

And I wonder about the first claim, actually. I mean, I genuinely wonder about it. They unquestionably had a huge capital of sympathy in the nation at large after Munich. I remember it well myself, during the sixties. In Britain, the story of Busby coming back from the edge of death (and I hasten to add that I have no disrespect for Matt Busby, and quite a measure of admiration) garnered huge sympathy through the press, and of course winning the European Cup in ’68 was part of that trajectory. But in Europe? Sort of doubt it. United were nothing much in Europe in the seventies and eighties, as I remember it. And in the world at large? Very much doubt it.
I suppose we all remember those times differently, maybe.
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It's was the media is was like it is now before bacon when they had done naff all to get the coverage and why I said it was that Tragedy made them media darlings! That's how I saw it at the time!

Who had more 1st div titles before bacon

Liverpool
Everton
?
 
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