Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

So, you are saying that if someone voted for Putin (or Donald Trump or MBS, if something so outlandish as a free and fair election would ever occur in Saudi) now it would be unreasonable to assume they are a ****?

That’s abhorrent… and quite convenient.

Finally. Well done for taking the first steps into my world, where everyone is a **** beneath a thin layer of civility. :)

My advice, though: you can't fight conspiracy theories and "alternative facts" with logic and reasoning. Best to leave it alone, I think.
 
This isn't a defence of Brand, but I'm sure the media could do an investigation into almost any male celebrity and find lots of behaviour some would deem inappropriate. Look at Mendy, although his charges came through direct reporting to the police from the alleged victims and not media speculation.

At the height of Brands fame women were queuing up to sleep with him. Now, guilty or innocent his career is over, the same as Mendy's effectively was/is.

Hard as I've no doubt it would have been the women involved should have reported him to the police. All this is now is hearsay and a smear campaign. At the height of his fame was he off his head a lot, shag loads of women and behave like a **** at times? I'd probably say yes. So have loads of famous and non famous people. That's life. Anyone who considers a crime was committed against them by him should go to the police. That's it.
 
At the height of his fame was he off his head a lot, shag loads of women and behave like a **** at times? I'd probably say yes. So have loads of famous and non famous people. That's life.

Not sure you're asking the right questions there, tbh, unless you categorise the alleged offences as behaving "like a ****".
 
This isn't a defence of Brand, but I'm sure the media could do an investigation into almost any male celebrity and find lots of behaviour some would deem inappropriate. Look at Mendy, although his charges came through direct reporting to the police from the alleged victims and not media speculation.

At the height of Brands fame women were queuing up to sleep with him. Now, guilty or innocent his career is over, the same as Mendy's effectively was/is.

Hard as I've no doubt it would have been the women involved should have reported him to the police. All this is now is hearsay and a smear campaign. At the height of his fame was he off his head a lot, shag loads of women and behave like a **** at times? I'd probably say yes. So have loads of famous and non famous people. That's life. Anyone who considers a crime was committed against them by him should go to the police. That's it.
I am not sure the media could do a four year investigation in to almost any male celebrity and find reputable accusations of rape and (separately) forcing a 16 year-old girl to give them a blowjob, among other allegations. Nor would I suspect most would classify that as merely “inappropriate” behaviour or behaving like a **** at times. And I certainly don’t think the acts he is being accused of by the women from the exposé (or the additional women who have come forward since it aired) would be classified by most as just a matter of life. At least, I certainly hope not — I would hate to be in the minority with that opinion. And I definitely won’t be teaching my son that is the case.

I have explained why many women legitimately do not go to the police when these incidents occur (the reasons for which are even stronger the further back in time you go) and I don’t think the Dispatch findings could be called “hearsay” (rumours) given the firsthand accounts and supporting evidence.

I am also not sure who would be trying to smear him and for what purpose. His career had been waning for some years—a fact often attributed to why he had jarringly transitioned from left-leaning to pretty firmly conspiracy-peddling far-right provocateur content, appealing to an increasingly niche audience (which many attribute to him actually being fairly apolitical and just drifting to wherever the grifting was good)—and he wasn’t really a particular threat to any entity, apart from women generally, it seems.

If women writ-large have put aside their many differences and conflicts to unite to “smear” his character and destroy his career I would imagine they likely have a pretty good reason.

Given the type of following he has recently cultivated, I would also be very surprised if his career is over, even if formal charges are eventually brought. From what I have seen of responses thus far—coupled with how these sorts of allegations/charges have played out with other major celebrities operating within that conspiracy-heavy, largely misogynistic sphere—it tends to actually entrench and amplify support, as the wagons driven by the “true believers” circle to protect their would-be martyrs.

Very few among that crowd will break rank and, ultimately, he’ll likely gain more in reputation than lose it. Seeing as that sphere has been the main source of his income in recent years, I am sure he’ll survive if he isn’t prosecuted (and, given the track record of the far-right, he might even be able to squeak by from prison).

There’s even an argument to be made that this is the most attention and engagement he has gotten in quite some time, so if he can ride out the portion of this that is negative, he could come out the other side in a stronger position than before. I am sure there are at least one or two ethically dubious PR strategist telling him exactly that.

It’s a horrible thought, but it has happened before, especially recently, unfortunately, at least for now (Alex Jones, Andrew Tate, Donald Trump, etc.).

His new bedfellows are really not put off by allegations of horrible acts against women. In fact, for a great portion of them, it is a premium feature, not a fatal flaw.
 
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. Now, guilty or innocent his career is over

I’m not so sure.
Unless he does actual jail time.
If not, Elon Musk will promote his whacky conspiracy shows and have it aired fire Twitter where no doubt 50 odd million will watch and he’ll make millions.
 
This isn't a defence of Brand, but I'm sure the media could do an investigation into almost any male celebrity and find lots of behaviour some would deem inappropriate. Look at Mendy, although his charges came through direct reporting to the police from the alleged victims and not media speculation.

At the height of Brands fame women were queuing up to sleep with him. Now, guilty or innocent his career is over, the same as Mendy's effectively was/is.

Hard as I've no doubt it would have been the women involved should have reported him to the police. All this is now is hearsay and a smear campaign. At the height of his fame was he off his head a lot, shag loads of women and behave like a **** at times? I'd probably say yes. So have loads of famous and non famous people. That's life. Anyone who considers a crime was committed against them by him should go to the police. That's it.

It's been repeated literally dozens of times why so many people do not go to the police.

Even more worryingly, it's also been repeated dozens of times how he was "off his head a lot" and that women were queueing up to shag him at the time. Usually by people who want to give him the benefit of the doubt. The way you and a lot of other posters on here seek to minimise his behaviour and the allegations against him is a massive part of the reason why men feel like they can behave like this without fear of punity. Being a rapist is not par for the course or simply something we should expect from someone who's a bit of a dickhead.

Men don't rape because sex isn't available to them or because they enjoy shagging a bit too much. It's about power and dominance. You really come across as someone who does t think it's a big deal. Attitudes like yours are a massive part of the problem sadly
 
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You should be ashamed of being a complete ****. No other word. You vote Tory, you’re a ****.
Ridiculous post, I don’t vote anymore and have never voted Tory but I’ve got friends and old family members who have passed that were conservative supporters and they’re certainly not cunts. I may not agree with their choice of political party but they are good friends and family and to judge them on their politics is plain stupid.
 
You do know it was never actually ok to flash your nob at women without their consent/request, right?
Apart from on nudist beaches obviously. My missus has just come back from a wander down the beach from where we are staying in Bulgaria. Just had a graphic description of an old man stood (not so) proudly by the shore with a tiny cock and a wrinkly ballbag ... no pics:)
 
I am not sure the media could do a four year investigation in to almost any male celebrity and find reputable accusations of rape and (separately) forcing a 16 year-old girl to give them a blowjob, among other allegations. Nor would I suspect most would classify that as merely “inappropriate” behaviour or behaving like a **** at times. And I certainly don’t think the acts he is being accused of by the women from the exposé (or the additional women who have come forward since it aired) would be classified by most as just a matter of life. At least, I certainly hope not — I would hate to be in the minority with that opinion. And I definitely won’t be teaching my son that is the case.

I have explained why many women legitimately do not go to the police when these incidents occur (the reasons for which are even stronger the further back in time you go) and I don’t think the Dispatch findings could be called “hearsay” (rumours) given the firsthand accounts and supporting evidence.

I am also not sure who would be trying to smear him and for what purpose. His career had been waning for some years—a fact often attributed to why he had jarringly transitioned from left-leaning to pretty firmly conspiracy-peddling far-right provocateur content, appealing to an increasingly niche audience (which many attribute to him actually being fairly apolitical and just drifting to wherever the grifting was good)—and he wasn’t really a particular threat to any entity, apart from women generally, it seems.

If women writ-large have put aside their many differences and conflicts to unite to “smear” his character and destroy his career I would imagine they likely have a pretty good reason.

Given the type of following he has recently cultivated, I would also be very surprised if his career is over, even if formal charges are eventually brought. From what I have seen of responses thus far—coupled with how these sorts of allegations/charges have played out with other major celebrities operating within that conspiracy-heavy, largely misogynistic sphere—it tends to actually entrench and amplify support, as the wagons driven by the “true believers” circle to protect their would-be martyrs.

Very few among that crowd will break rank and, ultimately, he’ll likely gain more in reputation than lose it. Seeing as that sphere has been the main source of his income in recent years, I am sure he’ll survive if he isn’t prosecuted (and, given the track record of the far-right, he might even be able to squeak by from prison).

There’s even an argument to be made that this is the most attention and engagement he has gotten in quite some time, so if he can ride out the portion of this that is negative, he could come out the other side in a stronger position than before. I am sure there are at least one or two ethically dubious PR strategist telling him exactly that.

It’s a horrible thought, but it has happened before, especially recently, unfortunately, at least for now (Alex Jones, Andrew Tate, Donald Trump, etc.).

His new bedfellows are really not put off by allegations of horrible acts against women. In fact, for a great portion of them, it is a premium feature, not a fatal flaw.
Without going over old ground Seb, it is amazing how we agree on so much and yet draw different conclusions from the analysis.

To my mind, you have demonstrated perfectly the reason I maintain that justice is best served to these women if they secure a conviction through the legal system. Through the courts.

Otherwise the polarisation of opinion will not only happen but will be actively encouraged and monetised through social media platforms.

Keep up the good fight.
 

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