The Conservative Party

bluenova said:
The mention of 15 minute cities was a concern. That's taken a real hold in the post-covid conspiracy world, and is the kind of thing you'd expect from some of the more dangerous US Republicans.

There are many in the Tory party who would welcome our democracy heading the way of the US, which is a scary thought.
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Labour need to grill him on that

The PM is about to make it government policy that you DONT have a shop, GP, dentist, train/bus stop near your house.

Something like PMQs. Starmer reads out a letter from little old lady. 85 y/o, had to stop driving because of glaucoma, concern that the government is going to stop her having the necessities she needs to live within walking distance. Cant afford taxis to the doctor. Can only walk about 10 mins to the bus to see her grandkids. Walking to the shop is her only exercise.

Make him explain how stupid it is.

Make him explain why it’s a bad thing.

You can’t do it without sounding insane, because the conspiracy is that the government is going to build walls around them and not let us leave.


By the way, if anyone at conservative HQ thought about it, the fact the government - their government- is the bad guy in the conspiracy is exactly why the government can never win these peoples votes any way.
 
west didsblue said:
Yes it does because the companies that handle it make a profit on it.
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Immaterial next to the change in the trade balance.

Gas exports increased by £5bn last year, all to the EU, and imports increased by £30bn, all from non-EU countries.

So unless the handling charges on the gas exported from the UK are 6 times the value of the gas itself, it’s a negative I’m afraid. Do you think that’s likely?
 
Brewster's millions said:
Immaterial next to the change in the trade balance.

Gas exports increased by £5bn last year, all to the EU, and imports increased by £30bn, all from non-EU countries.

So unless the handling charges on the gas exported from the UK are 6 times the value of the gas itself, it’s a negative I’m afraid. Do you think that’s likely?
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You said the LNG imported and re-exported makes no difference to GDP. It does, irrespective of other imports.
 
£30 odd million on Keegans office - wonder how much his office kitchen will cost me? All months before they get booted into oblivion - collective madness.

www.thesun.co.uk

Health Secretary Steve Barclay demands very best grub in work canteen revamp

DIVA diner Steve Barclay is boiling up – because there is no decent soup and pasta in his work canteen. The Health Secretary has demanded the very best grub when his government department get…
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bluethrunthru said:
£30 odd million on Keegans office - wonder how much his office kitchen will cost me? All months before they get booted into oblivion - collective madness.

www.thesun.co.uk

Health Secretary Steve Barclay demands very best grub in work canteen revamp

DIVA diner Steve Barclay is boiling up – because there is no decent soup and pasta in his work canteen. The Health Secretary has demanded the very best grub when his government department get…
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk
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Yet another example of the callous, selfish, arrogant disregard that this atrocious government has for those they claim to be defending and representing.
I cannot comprehend of anyone who still supports them and who will vote for them and who will expect their lives to be improved by them.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:


Tory extinction… tick tock.

Having ran the numbers, the Tories suffer a 2pt swing against them every election cycle just on demographics alone. That will get continually worse until either:

1) they start suddenly attracting more new young voters than any other party - maybe they can try for that in 2060
2) young people become more conservative with age - not currently happening

According to YouGovs Raw data from their latest poll on voting intention for the next election (if you don’t modify for Don’t Knows) the Tories are polling at <10% with the entire under 50s.

I’m not one for bold predictions, but I think if they lose this election (as seems incredibly likely) they will never win an election ever again - the demographic shift won’t allow it. There is no coming back from what they have wrought against young people in this country. They are utterly doomed.
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I wish it worked that way but it doesn't, generally speaking governments lose elections rather than oppositions winning. People have short memories and are mainly voting out of self interest.

They will rightly get a huge kicking next time and then they will rebrand themselves and hope for economic woes and Labour cock ups.

Hopefully I'm wrong and we will never see them back in power for a long long time
 
inbetween said:
Does this not prove though that comparing countries by GDP growth rate is completely pointless?

Norway has a much smaller GDP and a slow rate of growth right now. The US and China meanwhile are the largest economies and have high growth rates but would you rather live in those countries or in Norway?

As a country and as voters we need to stop attaching economic performance and wellbeing to GDP. We need to grow smart and not grow fast and in fact not growing at all is better if that assures the wellbeing of the population.

Unfortunately at the moment UK economic policy is to batter the population AND have shit growth.
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Best post I've read in quite a while.
 
hilts said:
I wish it worked that way but it doesn't, generally speaking governments lose elections rather than oppositions winning. People have short memories and are mainly voting out of self interest.

They will rightly get a huge kicking next time and then they will rebrand themselves and hope for economic woes and Labour cock ups.

Hopefully I'm wrong and we will never see them back in power for a long long time
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Their voters are dying out. Apart from the people on sink estates with no teeth (that usually don't vote anyway) racists don't breed as heavily as immigrants either.
 
inbetween said:
Does this not prove though that comparing countries by GDP growth rate is completely pointless?

Norway has a much smaller GDP and a slow rate of growth right now. The US and China meanwhile are the largest economies and have high growth rates but would you rather live in those countries or in Norway?

As a country and as voters we need to stop attaching economic performance and wellbeing to GDP. We need to grow smart and not grow fast and in fact not growing at all is better if that assures the wellbeing of the population.

Unfortunately at the moment UK economic policy is to batter the population AND have shit growth.
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This is true but the also have a different model of their economy. Unfortunately without large structural change, growth is required to stand still in Anglosphere robber-baron economies.
 
hilts said:
I wish it worked that way but it doesn't, generally speaking governments lose elections rather than oppositions winning. People have short memories and are mainly voting out of self interest.

They will rightly get a huge kicking next time and then they will rebrand themselves and hope for economic woes and Labour cock ups.

Hopefully I'm wrong and we will never see them back in power for a long long time
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If the Tories nationally in opposition are like our local Tories in opposition they will happily work to wreck things. The latest trick is asking about the financial risk from falling property values of council-owned buildings, but the book value has fallen only because they crashed the economy.
 
I said at the time repeatedly ignoring 3m+ people in lockdowns would come back to bite them on the arse - quite fitting that its Sunaks arse that will get bitten

 
bluethrunthru said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Iceland boss quits Tories labelling party 'out of touch'

Richard Walker had tried to become a Tory MP but has quit the party on the eve of the annual conference.
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The tide has turned against them with big business, no one wants to lobby The Conservatives for influence from the corporate world as they know this government will be gone in the next 14 months. They all seem to be wanting to chase after Starmer instead.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
This is true but the also have a different model of their economy. Unfortunately without large structural change, growth is required to stand still in Anglosphere robber-baron economies.
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That doesn't have to be true. There is zero correlation between the economic model and wellbeing of a population. If you look at the countries with the happiest populations and other things such as who has the best healthcare, all of the best countries are capitalist. However, it is how they utilise capitalism that makes the difference.

The biggest change in the UK economy over the last 20 years has been the transfer of wealth from UK based business to massive global foreign entities, especially in terms of physical goods.

We are now more likely to buy something made in China and sold by Amazon instead of something that could potentially be made up the road. Unfortunately most people in the north are skilled up to work in these sort of sectors and that's where a lot of people have been left behind. The only work available for these people is to work for a foreign company such as Toyota or Honda where the reward and profits are sent back to Japan.

Most UK wealth now comes from the export of services but the majority of the population doesn't really participate in that economy. The City of London for example is responsible for what 5-10% of GDP? However does 10% of the population work in the City? Definitely not.

So as a government what do you do? I'd guess that virtually all growth at the moment is coming from the services sector and that is masking zero growth or contraction in other sectors. We can look at taxation on services but the service sector is unfortunately very well placed to just move elsewhere.
 
Sunak has some thick skin doesn't he. Has his party's conference in Manchester. Costs £13m in additional security and then for all intensive purposes annouces that he is cancelling HS2 to the City he is holding his conference in.

As someone once said, "The time for honouring yourself will soon be at an end"
 
Planing to rebrand?? ‘New Conservatives’. Looking to distance themselves from what has gone before?? Nor me gov it was that lot.
 
if he is serious why not just announce you are halving inflation at a stroke - does he think people are thick

 
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