Rishi Sunak

[bluenova]

It’s not restarting - it’s a delay on selling the assets to give an option. It wouldn’t matter to Starmer’s political fortunes how the vote went.

If he really wanted HS2 he’d at least try to save it, he doesn’t.

But delaying selling the assets would involve Tory MPs voting directly against the PMs policy. It's just not plausible.

The Tories have a large majority and since the last election the Government hasn't lost a single vote that they've contested. There is no way it's happening now.

And as I said, I agree that Starmer may not want to restart it - so letting Sunak scorch the Earth might be a win for Labour. If they did ask for a vote, I suspect it would be more "political" than have any real meaning.

 

[bluethrunthru]

He is having a car crash interview on LBC now - why they let him speak live is beyond me

 

[mosssideblue]

Yes, you’re right actually, it’s just me gaslighting and there’s no proof at all of people’s obsession with abusing Sunak, all the disgusting comments about him, so on and so forth.

No proof other than the hundreds and hundreds of pages of bile on this and other threads, that is, which anyone can go back and read if they feel the urge.

Ever thought the abuse he is getting is warranted?

 

[somapop]

He’s even freaking out hard core Sopranos…

 

[west didsblue]

Have to laugh at the Tory boys resorting to highlighting supposed Labour U-turns like they’re somehow equivalent to government ones. Don’t they realise that Labour haven’t been in power for 13 years and need to react to the situation now which is a direct result of government decisions since 2010, so it’s absolutely expected that the opposition’s policies are going to change accordingly. Meanwhile the government only have their own record to blame for their U-turns.

 

[stan bowles]

Or what? You'll vote for continuing with the fascists?

You'll get a Labour manifesto.

You seem to enjoy throwing the 'fascists' slur around quite a lot I see from your posts. Not sure why ? All I said was I want to hear what Starmer has to say and judge him and his party on that.

Labour hasn't been successful in the Welsh National Assembly under Mark Drakeford so it's not a given that a Labour Government automatically equals a bed of roses.

 

[bluethrunthru]

first rule of lying club - best if you lies last longer than one day #foundout

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Funny how you equate my post with whining, when all I’m doing is pointing out the reality of the situation on here.

Hours upon hours of hate and vitriol about Sunak, and when someone points out the facts about a specific part of Labour policy - which every knows is essentially the same as the government’s - you’re unable to handle it. You fold like a sack of shit.

It’s all so erratic as well. Citing Cameron and Johnson’s opposition to Sunak’s decision on HS2, when you all hate Cameron and Johnson with a passion, due in no small part to the school they went to. Just very erratic and contradictory.

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[Brewster's millions]

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Cheers big man.

 

[bluethrunthru]

But delaying selling the assets would involve Tory MPs voting directly against the PMs policy. It's just not plausible.

The Tories have a large majority and since the last election the Government hasn't lost a single vote that they've contested. There is no way it's happening now.

And as I said, I agree that Starmer may not want to restart it - so letting Sunak scorch the Earth might be a win for Labour. If they did ask for a vote, I suspect it would be more "political" than have any real meaning.

I think the Maj is now 59 - soon to be 57 - Sunak will be worried because that means the number of letters to the 22 committee lowers but that also gives ammo to the opposition as they can point out how many MP's they have lost in such a short time.......and the reasons why

 

[Vic]

You seem to enjoy throwing the 'fascists' slur around quite a lot I see from your posts. Not sure why ? All I said was I want to hear what Starmer has to say and judge him and his party on that.

Labour hasn't been successful in the Welsh National Assembly under Mark Drakeford so it's not a given that a Labour Government automatically equals a bed of roses.

Braverman is virtually quoting Hitler with her attacks on "fake humanitarianism" and Sunak (and the party at large) supports her.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Sunak - I understand people are struggling with the cost of living

also Sunak

 

[oldius]

Braverman is virtually quoting Hitler with her attacks on "fake humanitarianism" and Sunak (and the party at large) supports her.

She is a stool pigeon for the party. In a recent speech she said, openly, that she could not be described as a racist. I inferred that what she was saying was that because of the colour of her skin, that accusation could not be levelled at her, despite the abhorrence of her rhetoric. The party have a track-record of using non-white politicians to deliver absolute bile. The likes of Lee Anderson, Gullis, and the GBNews team then jump on it, defending her right to 'say things that nobody else will say'. Meanwhile, the golf club captains and ladies of the institutes rub their hands and dance around their Pringle pullovers, yearning for halcyon days of yore, despite repeatedly telling their own grandchildren how hard it was in their day. The party knows exactly what it is doing, but it acts in desperation, chucking down policies and tweeting furiously in a grasp at the last breaths of power. I cannot wait until they are consigned to history. I only hope that the cultural shifts that are upon us, with the declining sales of papers from tax-havens who cement the divisions in society while making no contribution to it, mean that this will be their last ever time running and ruining the nation.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

first rule of lying club - best if you lies last longer than one day #foundout

Watch his eyes.
The only time he looks frequently at the interviewer‘s eyes is when he passes the responsibility to someone else ( a local mayor) to make decisions, the rest of the time he looks everywhere else but at his questioner.
You don’t need to be a body language expert to interpret this show.

 

[somapop]

His arrogance is engorging exponentially.

Reminds me of those tales of past kings. Kids given extraordinary power by virtue of birthrights.
"I'm getting the word....Joffrey" (to use a GOT analogy).

 

[madloaf]

His arrogance is engorging exponentially.

Reminds me of those tales of past kings. Kids given extraordinary power by virtue of birthrights.
"I'm getting the word....Joffrey" (to use a GOT analogy).

Let the purple wedding happen soon!!

 

[mr t]

He was the only alternative to Liz Truss ffs……..

 

[NPBlue]

You might want to have a look at what Gordon Brown did to government debt levels.

I suppose you believe the lie about the note, 'there is no money left' David Cameron was waving it around for all to see and it was championed by our largely right wing press as proof positive Labour couldn't manage the economy responsibly.

That note was nothing more than a traditional self deprecating measure of performance left by the outgoing minister to the incoming minister as a light hearted joke, started by Winston Churchill in the 1920's, and carried on in that vain until Cameron took office in 2010.

'Sorry, old bean, I've made a bit of a mess of things. Have fun sorting out the mess'.

Cameron admits in his autobiography that joke of a note note was deliberately promoted to underline his desire for austerity, an action widely condemmed at the time as unnecessarily cruel to the poorest in society, and which has subsequently cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

Austerity has reduced the services we once regarded as reliable, such as appointments with doctors, needing an ambulance when required, a Police response to a crime, an operation to fix a worn out knee or hip, to almost zero.

There are 7.5 million people stuck on waiting lists for NHS treatment, NHS dentists are no longer available, we have crumbling roads full of pot holes, schools that are falling down, neither of which this government have any plans to restore. We have a declining age expectancy, all a result of austerity, just so some rich people can salt their money away in tax havens

What more can I say, other than the national debt was far lower when Labour were last in power. Everything worked as expected when needed, but billions have been wasted on track and trace that delivered nothing

What I will add to this though, is the financial crash in 2008 was nothing to do with UK government policy at the time. It was the sub prime market in the USA that folded. It had huge repercussions throughout the world, and the actions taken by Alistair Darling as chancellor and Gordon Brown as Prime Minister are regarded throughout the world as saving the worlds banking systems from collapsing.

£100B has been wasted by this government on track and trace, supporting the financial markets after the disasterous budget Liz truss imposed on us, and supporting the pound after the brexit referendum result, a far higher amount than Darling and Brown spent on supporting the banks in their hour of need which was totally out of their control.

 

[Vic]

I suppose you believe the lie about the note, 'there is no money left' David Cameron was waving it around for all to see and it was championed by our largely right wing press as proof positive Labour couldn't manage the economy responsibly.

That note was nothing more than a traditional self deprecating measure of performance left by the outgoing minister to the incoming minister as a light hearted joke, started by Winston Churchill in the 1920's, and carried on in that vain until Cameron took office in 2010.

'Sorry, old bean, I've made a bit of a mess of things. Have fun sorting out the mess'.

Cameron admits in his autobiography that joke of a note note was deliberately promoted to underline his desire for austerity, an action widely condemmed at the time as unnecessarily cruel to the poorest in society, and which has subsequently cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

Austerity has reduced the services we once regarded as reliable, such as appointments with doctors, needing an ambulance when required, a Police response to a crime, an operation to fix a worn out knee or hip, to almost zero.

There are 7.5 million people stuck on waiting lists for NHS treatment, NHS dentists are no longer available, we have crumbling roads full of pot holes, schools that are falling down, neither of which this government have any plans to restore. We have a declining age expectancy, all a result of austerity, just so some rich people can salt their money away in tax havens

What more can I say, other than the national debt was far lower when Labour were last in power. Everything worked as expected when needed, but billions have been wasted on track and trace that delivered nothing

What I will add to this though, is the financial crash in 2008 was nothing to do with UK government policy at the time. It was the sub prime market in the USA that folded. It had huge repercussions throughout the world, and the actions taken by Alistair Darling as chancellor and Gordon Brown as Prime Minister are regarded throughout the world as saving the worlds banking systems from collapsing.

£100B has been wasted by this government on track and trace, supporting the financial markets after the disasterous budget Liz truss imposed on us, and supporting the pound after the brexit referendum result, a far higher amount than Darling and Brown spent on supporting the banks in their hour of need which was totally out of their control.

That 100B wasted puts a few quid on new railways in a different context too.

 

[Brewster's millions]

I suppose you believe the lie about the note, 'there is no money left' David Cameron was waving it around for all to see and it was championed by our largely right wing press as proof positive Labour couldn't manage the economy responsibly.

That note was nothing more than a traditional self deprecating measure of performance left by the outgoing minister to the incoming minister as a light hearted joke, started by Winston Churchill in the 1920's, and carried on in that vain until Cameron took office in 2010.

'Sorry, old bean, I've made a bit of a mess of things. Have fun sorting out the mess'.

Cameron admits in his autobiography that joke of a note note was deliberately promoted to underline his desire for austerity, an action widely condemmed at the time as unnecessarily cruel to the poorest in society, and which has subsequently cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

Austerity has reduced the services we once regarded as reliable, such as appointments with doctors, needing an ambulance when required, a Police response to a crime, an operation to fix a worn out knee or hip, to almost zero.

There are 7.5 million people stuck on waiting lists for NHS treatment, NHS dentists are no longer available, we have crumbling roads full of pot holes, schools that are falling down, neither of which this government have any plans to restore. We have a declining age expectancy, all a result of austerity, just so some rich people can salt their money away in tax havens

What more can I say, other than the national debt was far lower when Labour were last in power. Everything worked as expected when needed, but billions have been wasted on track and trace that delivered nothing

What I will add to this though, is the financial crash in 2008 was nothing to do with UK government policy at the time. It was the sub prime market in the USA that folded. It had huge repercussions throughout the world, and the actions taken by Alistair Darling as chancellor and Gordon Brown as Prime Minister are regarded throughout the world as saving the worlds banking systems from collapsing.

£100B has been wasted by this government on track and trace, supporting the financial markets after the disasterous budget Liz truss imposed on us, and supporting the pound after the brexit referendum result, a far higher amount than Darling and Brown spent on supporting the banks in their hour of need which was totally out of their control.

I have to say, there are some absolute pearlers in your post, particularly the bit about Darling and Brown saving the world’s financial system from collapse. Bloody hell.

Actually, when I suggested you look at the government debt levels and what happened under Gordon Brown, I meant exactly that. Not the infamous note, but the actual data. Government debt as a share of GDP was already rising before the financial crisis, and then it went from 42% of GDP in 2007 to 141% in GDP in 2008, because the UK had to make by the largest intervention into the financial sector in the G7, due to the UK government’s disastrous failure to properly regulate the financial sector.

In fact the situation in the UK got that bad that at one point the government had to underwrite all interbank lending to stop the entire system folding, and the level of all guarantees extended surpassed a trillion pounds, again because the Labour government had a catastrophic failure in terms of financial sector regulation.

Of course, it’s just a coincidence that Fred Goodwin was at Chequers every other week, that Blair had been cosying up to the banks for years as part of his third way bollocks, that the Labour government enjoyed spending all the tax revenues generated by the banks or that Labour liked all the extra growth when consumer credit doubled under its watch. If you’re really interested, you might want to look at the difference between the UK banks’ loan and deposit growth in the lead up to the crisis, or the frankly ridiculous way UK banks were funding this gap, and ask why the government didn’t do something about it when a disaster was obviously brewing. But they didn’t and we ended up with a fiscal implosion that we’re still paying for now.

Of course, there’s a debate to be had about how to address austerity, but I’m afraid that the fiscal situation the coalition government inherited meant that years and years of austerity were always a given, and you shouldn’t try to kid yourself on that.