Middle East Conflict

[hcblue95]

No. And I don't support any of them either. Yet Hamas is labelled specifically by the UK Government as being a terrorist group (evident this weekend as to why that is) yet here was a leader of a major political party that hasn't and still refuses to condemn them.

See, not hard this is it. Again with this "Yeah, but, what about..."

Good for you. I don't support any of them either.

 

[The blue phantom]

No. And I don't support any of them either. Yet Hamas is labelled specifically by the UK Government as being a terrorist group (evident this weekend as to why that is) yet here was a leader of a major political party that hasn't and still refuses to condemn them.

See, not hard this is it. Again with this "Yeah, but, what about..."

The state of Israel is a Terrorist group and has been for decades. As said no one will.ever condemn them. Especially when they along with Hamas have murdered Tens of thousands over the years. You're more interested in reporters turning up at an MP's doorstep who holds no clout whatsoever. In fact he's not even a recognised Mp now either.

 

[Metal Biker]

The state of Israel is a Terrorist group and has been for decades. As said no one will.ever condemn them. Especially when they along with Hamas have murdered Tens of thousands over the years.

Mask slipped.

Not according to the UN it isn't, only by certain groups, namely Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Russia. And if those are the groups you agree with, i'd say you're on the wrong side of history.

The actions of the Israeli Government have been abhorrent, but the State of Israel and it's citizens itself is not to be held accountable for their decisions now, is it.

 

[The blue phantom]

Mask slipped.

Not according to the UN it isn't, only by certain groups.

Ah and there we have it. The UN rules on this one you're happy to go by. It seems certain posters want to cherry pick what suits their narrative regarding what the UN say. I've said it for years on here that I think Israel are a terrorist state.

 

[Metal Biker]

Ah and there we have it. The UN rules on this one you're happy to go by. It seems certain posters want to cherry pick what suits their narrative regarding what the UN say. I've said it for years on here that I think Israel are a terrorist state.

Read the edit

 

[blueinsa]

The state of Israel is a Terrorist group and has been for decades.

Easier when you stop pretending.

 

[The blue phantom]

Read the edit

We've had plenty of posters on here stipulating that the Palestinian people are the same as Hamas and all share their views. I've not read anyone say the same about the Israeli folk being like their government. We can all post videos of absolute atrocities from both sides from the last 30 years to prove their point. Nothing will top the latest one by Hamas.

 

[The blue phantom]

Easier when you stop pretending.

Do you want me to post 500 videos to prove my point?

 

[west didsblue]

What context would make it less of a problem? And of course it's a context (not justification) for terrorism.

Are you really justifying the ongoing takeover of "Palestinian" homes by illegal settlements?

I was simply pointing out that those maps are very misleading, and no I’m not justifying the actions of the settlers.

 

[Metal Biker]

We've had plenty of posters on here stipulating that the Palestinian people are the same as Hamas and all share their views. I've not read anyone say the same about the Israeli folk being like their government. We can all post videos of absolute atrocities from both sides from the last 30 years to prove their point. Nothing will top the latest one by Hamas.

Yeah but I haven't and i'm who you're conversing with right now, so you can cut out the anti-Israeli "Israel is a Terror State" bullshit narrative with me. Otherwise I might start to think you have a more sinister agenda in your criticisms of "Israel".

 

[The blue phantom]

Yeah but I haven't and i'm who you're conversing with right now, so you can cut out the anti-Israeli "Israel is a Terror State" bullshit narrative with me. Otherwise I might start to think you have a more sinister agenda in your criticisms of "Israel".

I'll make this clear for you.

Hamas commit terriost atrocities against Jewish people.
Israel commit terriost atrocities against Palestinian people. Its that fuckin simple.

This is the meaning of a terriost which Hamas and the Isreal Government and superseded in bucketloads.

 

[Metal Biker]

I'll make this clear for you.

Hamas commit terriost atrocities against Jewish people.
Israel commit terriost atrocities against Palestinian people. Its that fuckin simple.

This is the meaning of a terriost which Hamas and the Isreal Government and superseded in bucketloads.

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Hamas is a terrorist group who commits violence against Jewish people and all Israelis.
Palestinians however, do not.

Israels current government and members of the IDF who commit violence against Palestinians. Israelis however, do not.

That's because a "state" is more than just it's govenment or military, but that of it's people and infrastructure and many Israelis oppose and protest the actions of their government and the IDF towards Palestinians.

Because of your analogy, you have just stated then, albeit unwittingly, that Palestine must therefore be a "Terrorist State" as well because of the actions of Hamas who represents them. So which is it?

 

[The blue phantom]

Hamas is a terrorist group who commits violence against Jewish people and all Israelis.
Palestinians however, do not.

Israels current government and members of the IDF who commit violence against Palestinians. Israelis however, do not.

That's because a "state" is more than just it's govenment or military, but that of it's people and infrastructure and many Israelis oppose and protest the actions of their government and the IDF towards Palestinians.

Because of your analogy, you have just stated then, albeit unwittingly, that Palestine must therefore be a "Terrorist State" as well because of the actions of Hamas who represents them. So which is it?

I keep answering everything but you keep asking again.
Seen as you like Yes & No answers and have had a pop at Corbyn for not giving One I'll try it with you.

Have Israel (Government) committed any terrorist crimes, atrocities in the last 50 years against the Palestinians. Simple Yes or No?

 

[Metal Biker]

I keep answering everything but you keep asking again.
Seen as you like Yes & No answers and have had a pop at Corbyn for not giving One I'll try it with you.

Have Israel (Government) committed any terrorist crimes, atrocities in the last 50 years against the Palestinians. Simple Yes or No?

Yes they have. No this does not mean the STATE of Israel is a terrorist state.

Hamas have commited atrocities against Israelis. No, this does not mean PALESTINE is a terrorist state.

I can reach that conclusion that neither Palestine or Israel are 'terrorist' states. Hamas IS a terrorist GROUP. You, however clearly see things differently and have labelled one as evil and the other just, despite both committing the same acts of aggression against the other.

 

[trueblue1972]

And in modern international law, does that entitle the winner to that land (and to expel the inhabitants)?

I've made it plainly clear that I condemn many actions that Isreal have taken , however propaganda images require context , actions have consequences

 

[The blue phantom]

Yes they have. No this does not mean the State of Israel is a terrorist state.

Hamas have commited atrocities against Israelis. No, this does not mean Palestine is a terrorist state.

I can reach that conclusion that neither Palestine or Israel are 'terrorist' states. Hamas IS a terrorist GROUP. You, however clearly see things differently and have labelled one as evil and the other just, despite both committing the same acts of aggression against the other.

And no one has said everyday Israeli folk are terrorist. But I'm claiming the Goverment has been for 50 years+. I'm also stating Hamas are Terriost too and not, again, everyday normal Palestinians. You just keep making shit up about what I'm saying.

 

[blueinsa]

Do you want me to post 500 videos to prove my point?

Maybe Hamas should remove itself from the women, children and other innocents it uses to try and hide itself and if it then wants to go to war with Israel, it can do so.

It won’t though because they are cowards. Happy to use their own as human shields.

Hamas is about to get wiped out. The people of Gaza have been warned what is about to happen. That I’m afraid is very much a result of what Hamas have done.

 

[Metal Biker]

And no one has said everyday Israeli folk are terrorist. But I'm claiming the Goverment has been for 50 years+. I'm also stating Hamas are Terriost too and not, again, everyday normal Palestinians. You just keep making shot up about what I'm saying.

No, you said "The State of Israel".

The state of Israel is a Terrorist group and has been for decades. As said no one will.ever condemn them. Especially when they along with Hamas have murdered Tens of thousands over the years. You're more interested in reporters turning up at an MP's doorstep who holds no clout whatsoever. In fact he's not even a recognised Mp now either.

Not the "Government of Netenyahu and the IDF", The State of Israel.
If someone was on here labelling Palestine as a "terrorist state", you'd have been down their throat.

 

[The blue phantom]

Maybe Hamas should remove itself from the women, children and other innocents it uses to try and hide itself and if it then wants to go to war with Israel, it can do so.

It won’t though because they are cowards. Happy to use their own as human shields.

Hamas is about to get wiped out. The people of Gaza have been warned what is about to happen. That I’m afraid is very much a result of what Hamas have done.

I agree.

 

[The blue phantom]

No, you said "The State of Israel".

If someone was on here labelling Palestine as a "terrorist state", you'd have been down their throat.

Well let's just say it's meant as the Israel Government which you well know as I've mentioned that 100's of times in the thread. So we'll clear that point up. Hamas + Israeli GOVERNMENT = Terrorist.