Middle East Conflict

[Ducado]

Makes you wonder if that was a test that might have in some way informed Hezbollah’s decision not to get involved. I suspect Hezbollah have similar missiles which would be much less effective with a proven anti ballistic missile system in place. They already know that Iron Dome will intercept the majority of their shorter range missiles.

They’ve got 150,000 more than enough to overwhelm any defence system, that’s why no wants a full war with them, they could in reality flatten a couple of Cities

 

[Ducado]

Putin might send his Wagner buddies in to help.

Kim Jong-un might provide the buses to get them there.

I’m assuming your question wasn’t at all serious or would you like someone to go to war with Israel over it?

Are the Ukrainian resistance in the parts occupied Terrorists or Freedom fighters?

 

[west didsblue]

They’ve got 150,000 more than enough to overwhelm any defence system, that’s why no wants a full war with them, they could in reality flatten a couple of Cities

They can’t launch them all at once and if they started a lot would get destroyed before they were launched.

 

[blueinsa]

Are the Ukrainian resistance in the parts occupied Terrorists or Freedom fighters?

They are an army defending their own country and at war.

Rightly, the majority of the world is right behind them and in full support.

Only guys who seem to be behind the Russians are the same that are seemingly behind Hamas here and against Israel.

 

[The blue phantom]

Putin might send his Wagner buddies in to help.

Kim Jong-un might provide the buses to get them there.

Erdogan would love to save his Hamas mates but is a bit busy killing and murdering those damn Terrorist Kurds.

I’m assuming your question wasn’t at all serious or would you like someone to go to war with Israel over it?

I'd like someone to step in and stop thousands of kids getting blown up? Everyone's condemning it, Clearly War Crimes are taking place so is there a point where another nation comes to their aid?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I would also like to see the end of Hamas but I think it's fairly obvious that this isnt the way to go about it.

What is the way to go about it?

They're not a "freedom movement", unless your view of freedom is a Middle East free of Jews. They're not representative of the ordinary Gazan. They're a brutal, antisemitic, ideologically-driven terrorist group that's as brutal to its own people as it is to Israelis. They're an arm of the lunatic, equally unrepresentative Iranian regime. There's a piece in the current Private Eye from someone in Gaza laying bare just what a bunch of vicious animals they are.

One of their torture centres was in an unused outpatient clinic at the Al Shifa hospital. Extra-judicial executions, imprisonment without trial, brutal repression of dissent, torture as government policy. October 7th was the equivalent of them signing their own P45. They knew what the reaction would be and, as usual, sheltered behind the innocent men, women and children of Gaza. They welcome every single death of the people they're supposed to be representing, the more the merrier as far as they're concerned.

Are people seriously asking why Western governments are seemingly supporting Israel in its battle to wipe them out? They're the same people who murdered thousands of innocents when they flew planes into buildings, detonated bombs on buses and tube trains in London, massacred 22 people here in Manchester and injured over 1,000 others. And that's without the misery they've inflicted on the people of Yemen, Iraq and other places.

They talk about martyrdom but 30,000 of them hide in well-stocked tunnels, with plenty of food, water and arms, while the vast majority of Gazans go hungry, thirsty and without adequate medical care, and risk being killed. They (Hamas) are vermin and every right-thinking person should want to see them wiped out.

The two good things that might come out of this are that Netanyahu won't survive politically and the slimy cockroach won't ever be back, along with his nasty, right-wing backers. And that the people of Gaza might get a government that actually cares about them more than it cares about killing Israelis.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Nothing hits the spot more on peace than terrorist loving and scrapping.

Did no one call for a ceasefire?

 

[blueinsa]

I'd like someone to step in and stop thousands of kids getting blown up? Everyone's condemning it, Clearly War Crimes are taking place so is there a point where another nation comes to their aid?

Hamas should give itself up.

They won’t, Islamist terrorists have never given a stuff for their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters, just used them and often killed and murdered them in greater numbers than anyone else has ever done as they go about their warped ideology.

If war crimes have been committed then I have zero issue in bringing those responsible to justice, zero issue!

 

[blueinsa]

What is the way to go about it?

They're not a "freedom movement", unless your view of freedom is a Middle East free of Jews. They're not representative of the ordinary Gazan. They're a brutal, antisemitic, ideologically-driven terrorist group that's as brutal to its own people as it is to Israelis. They're an arm of the lunatic, equally unrepresentative Iranian regime. There's a piece in the current Private Eye from someone in Gaza laying bare just what a bunch of vicious animals they are.

One of their torture centres was in an unused outpatient clinic at the Al Shifa hospital. Extra-judicial executions, imprisonment without trial, brutal repression of dissent, torture as government policy. October 7th was the equivalent of them signing their own P45. They knew what the reaction would be and, as usual, sheltered behind the innocent men, women and children of Gaza. They welcome every single death of the people they're supposed to be representing, the more the merrier as far as they're concerned.

Are people seriously asking why Western governments are seemingly supporting Israel in its battle to wipe them out? They're the same people who murdered thousands of innocents when they flew planes into buildings, detonated bombs on buses and tube trains in London, massacred 22 people here in Manchester and injured over 1,000 others. And that's without the misery they've inflicted on the people of Yemen, Iraq and other places.

They talk about martyrdom but 30,000 of them hide in well-stocked tunnels, with plenty of food, water and arms, while the vast majority of Gazans go hungry, thirsty and without adequate medical care, and risk being killed. They (Hamas) are vermin and every right-thinking person should want to see them wiped out.

The two good things that might come out of this are that Netanyahu won't survive politically and the slimy cockroach won't ever be back, along with his nasty, right-wing backers. And that the people of Gaza might get a government that actually cares about them more than it cares about killing Israelis.

As ever, well said.

 

[Vic]

They are an army defending their own country and at war.

Rightly, the majority of the world is right behind them and in full support.

Only guys who seem to be behind the Russians are the same that are seemingly behind Hamas here and against Israel.

Er, Russia declared it to be their territory.

It's pointless pushing the parallels, but isn't Israel effectively declaring the West Bank to be its territory by allowing settlements? And plenty of government voices talking of Gaza as their territory.

 

[Vic]

What is the way to go about it?

They're not a "freedom movement", unless your view of freedom is a Middle East free of Jews. They're not representative of the ordinary Gazan. They're a brutal, antisemitic, ideologically-driven terrorist group that's as brutal to its own people as it is to Israelis. They're an arm of the lunatic, equally unrepresentative Iranian regime. There's a piece in the current Private Eye from someone in Gaza laying bare just what a bunch of vicious animals they are.

One of their torture centres was in an unused outpatient clinic at the Al Shifa hospital. Extra-judicial executions, imprisonment without trial, brutal repression of dissent, torture as government policy. October 7th was the equivalent of them signing their own P45. They knew what the reaction would be and, as usual, sheltered behind the innocent men, women and children of Gaza. They welcome every single death of the people they're supposed to be representing, the more the merrier as far as they're concerned.

Are people seriously asking why Western governments are seemingly supporting Israel in its battle to wipe them out? They're the same people who murdered thousands of innocents when they flew planes into buildings, detonated bombs on buses and tube trains in London, massacred 22 people here in Manchester and injured over 1,000 others. And that's without the misery they've inflicted on the people of Yemen, Iraq and other places.

They talk about martyrdom but 30,000 of them hide in well-stocked tunnels, with plenty of food, water and arms, while the vast majority of Gazans go hungry, thirsty and without adequate medical care, and risk being killed. They (Hamas) are vermin and every right-thinking person should want to see them wiped out.

The two good things that might come out of this are that Netanyahu won't survive politically and the slimy cockroach won't ever be back, along with his nasty, right-wing backers. And that the people of Gaza might get a government that actually cares about them more than it cares about killing Israelis.

I've "liked" that because it's reasonably accurate. The last paragraph though doesn't quite make the link that Hamas is in control of Gaza largely thanks to Netanyahu.

 

[halfcenturyup]

So would any nation ever say enough is enough and literally help the Palestinians out by sending their own Military in to defend them against the terriost IDF?

What if the death numbers hit 50'00 - 100'000?

Are you responding to the notion that Israel is a nuclear state and so it's senseless of Hamas to put up an armed resistance? I wasn't too keen on that either. That just means strong states can do what they want against weaker states. Was some bizarre thinking.

To answer your question, no Western state will get involved in this. No Arab state either, imo - none seems to really care about the Palestinians. But I imagine a lot of states are telling Israel to calm down.

The problem is Netanyahu has put himself in an impossible position announcing he will eliminate Hamas. He won't. And the first missile sent in to Israel the day after they have finished whatever it is they are doing will show that. He is also in an impossible situation with the hostages. The majority will be dead before the IDF find them, or shortly after. But he can't back down because of his negligence (at best) in allowing the attack to happen, and his political problems. He needs something he can package as a win. Short of genocide or ethnic cleansing Gaza, I really don't see what that could be.

 

[Ducado]

They are an army defending their own country and at war.

Rightly, the majority of the world is right behind them and in full support.

Only guys who seem to be behind the Russians are the same that are seemingly behind Hamas here and against Israel.

I take your point, but tell us what the Palestinians who are living under brutal occupation and oppression to do?

Or is it a case of only people who you like are allowed to resist? I keep asking the question but no one is giving me an answer, they’ve tried civil disobedience and were shot

By the way I wholeheartedly support the Ukrainians and their struggle with a bullying neighbour, but there does appear to be some double standards at play

My position is perfectly clear, both Israelis and Palestinians deserve a state of their own, in lands that both parties have historical claims, furthermore both peoples deserve to live free lives free from oppression and brutality, now how to we achieve this? Especially when two factions of both sides are not interested in peace

Should America still finance a country that has been effectively taken over bt right wing zealots? Would they finance a country taken over by the Taliban?

 

[bluethrunthru]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/far-right-minister-nuking-gaza-is-an-option-population-should-go-to-ireland-or-deserts/

Some right evil nutters in cabinet there, here's one that thinks that dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza is an option that should be considered - or sending the population to Ireland

Oh I do hope they nuke the place in the face of a stiff breeze - try explaining the poisonous blow back to their own population !! Fuck me fall out from Chernobyl still affects Welsh hill farms nearly 40 years and 2000 miles away

 

[Ducado]

What is the way to go about it?

They're not a "freedom movement", unless your view of freedom is a Middle East free of Jews. They're not representative of the ordinary Gazan. They're a brutal, antisemitic, ideologically-driven terrorist group that's as brutal to its own people as it is to Israelis. They're an arm of the lunatic, equally unrepresentative Iranian regime. There's a piece in the current Private Eye from someone in Gaza laying bare just what a bunch of vicious animals they are.

One of their torture centres was in an unused outpatient clinic at the Al Shifa hospital. Extra-judicial executions, imprisonment without trial, brutal repression of dissent, torture as government policy. October 7th was the equivalent of them signing their own P45. They knew what the reaction would be and, as usual, sheltered behind the innocent men, women and children of Gaza. They welcome every single death of the people they're supposed to be representing, the more the merrier as far as they're concerned.

Are people seriously asking why Western governments are seemingly supporting Israel in its battle to wipe them out? They're the same people who murdered thousands of innocents when they flew planes into buildings, detonated bombs on buses and tube trains in London, massacred 22 people here in Manchester and injured over 1,000 others. And that's without the misery they've inflicted on the people of Yemen, Iraq and other places.

They talk about martyrdom but 30,000 of them hide in well-stocked tunnels, with plenty of food, water and arms, while the vast majority of Gazans go hungry, thirsty and without adequate medical care, and risk being killed. They (Hamas) are vermin and every right-thinking person should want to see them wiped out.

The two good things that might come out of this are that Netanyahu won't survive politically and the slimy cockroach won't ever be back, along with his nasty, right-wing backers. And that the people of Gaza might get a government that actually cares about them more than it cares about killing Israelis.

However the response is exactly what Hamas wanted, each loss of innocent live just fuels the hatred more, and further radicalisation ensues sooner or later the cycle has to be broken

Hamas thrives on injustices and hatred, that’s why the key to getting rid of them is to end the injustice, it’s sea they swim in

Would a happy and prosperous educated Gaza population be interested in going to war ?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I've "liked" that because it's reasonably accurate. The last paragraph though doesn't quite make the link that Hamas is in control of Gaza largely thanks to Netanyahu.

I've said on a number of occasions that both parties need each other, in order to justify the other's existence. Otherwise there's a risk peace might break out.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[dublinblue12]

A minister from the extremist Otzma Yehudit party says one of Israel’s options in the war in Gaza is to drop a nuclear bomb on the Strip.

Asked in an interview with Radio Kol Berama whether an atomic bomb should be dropped on the enclave, Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu says “this is one of the possibilities.”

Eliyahu, of Itamar Ben Gvir’s far-right party, is not part of the security cabinet which is involved in the wartime decision-making, nor does he hold sway over the war cabinet directing the war against the Hamas terror group. Eliyahu also voices his objection during the interview to allowing any humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying “we wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid,” and charging that “there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.”

He backs retaking the Strip’s territory and restoring the settlements there. Asked about the fate of the Palestinian population, he says: “They can go to Ireland or deserts, the monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves.”

He says the northern Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth.”

 

[mexico1970]

Hamas should give itself up.

They won’t, Islamist terrorists have never given a stuff for their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters, just used them and often killed and murdered them in greater numbers than anyone else has ever done as they go about their warped ideology.

If war crimes have been committed then I have zero issue in bringing those responsible to justice, zero issue!

Some people on here are genuinely supporting the organisation holding Gaza hostage, they would have this feeling against Israel if it was moved to Kansas.

 

[Ducado]

Some people on here are genuinely supporting the organisation holding Gaza hostage, they would have this feeling against Israel if it was moved to Kansas.

Some people think shooting kids for throwing stones is acceptable or the mass transfer of population, they also believe that Palestinians have to ignore the daily oppression and brutality dish out to them and hold hands singing kumbyya

We have people planting flags and then defending their flags, without looking at the other side of the debate, I mean how can you debate if you can’t see things from the other side, perhaps it’s just me