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The thread from Metropolitan Police on people sought for hate crimes.

I despise the far right and what they did yesterday but we shouldn't stop scrutinising others.

 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Do you have any knowledge of the IHRA definition of antisemitism? Here it is...


Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

  • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
  • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
  • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
  • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
  • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
  • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
  • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
  • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
  • Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
  • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
  • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
Nowhere does it say that you can't criticise Israel for its actions. But it does set out examples of what is regarded as antisemitic, which includes denying Jews the right to self-determination, comparing Israel to the Nazis and requiring it of a behaviour not expected of any other democratic nation.

One of those protestors had a poster of a Star of David with a swastika inside it. Thats antisemitic. There were other instances of antisemitic behaviour.

Jews coming out of a Sabbath morning service at a synagogue in St John's Wood were harassed by some of these protestors making their way to the march. There's a Chinese takeaway in Prestwich that threw some Jewish customers out screaming "We don't serve Jews". A pizza restaurant in Leeds has said "Zionists not welcome here". But will either get prosecuted? Probably not. There's been a huge increase in antisemitism in the UK in the last few weeks. I don't disclose my religion at work, having been discriminated against once simply for being born Mewish. You have no fucking idea what it's like to live in fear.
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Thanks for the info. Compared to the rest of the fighting from the far right the amount of anti jewish hate crimes it was tiny

I hate hamas and israel , israel is commiting war crimes everywhere, they have got their revenge
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
"I hate Israel". WTF does that even mean?
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The state of israel, not jews in the way you are thinking , they are killing tens of thousands of innocent people, cutting off power and water , bombing hospitals, it has to stop, they have boots on the ground , hunt for hamas that way
 
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Brewster's millions said:
You’re just ignoring the synagogue incident then?

I really do find it fucking weird that people just turn a blind eye to this shit.
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I'm not ignoring anything.

You said "from the march".

It's obvious that antisemitism has increased. It's disgusting. Given the reg numbers of the cars involved at Abbey Road are readily visible, no doubt the police will be "making inquiries".

Meanwhile, in Gaza.... Same question as to another poster - do you have a view about Israeli settlements in the West Bank?
 

argyle said:
Some weren't directing their anger at the Israeli state but Jewish people in general.

One lady had the Star of David with the Nazi insignia. Two wore Hamas headbands.

A minority of the marchers but we can't ignore them.

Edit: if you're on twitter the Metropolitan Police have a substantial thread asking for information on hate crimes from the march.
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I don't see the problem here to be honest. Counter protesters who broke the law were arrested. Protesters who broke the law are being identified. Any idiot who attends a pro-Palestinian rally with a Hamas is ISIS banner is presumably being charged with a public order offence. Anyone who threatened him or attacked him is presumably being identified. It was an overwhelmingly peaceful rally marred by a few incidents, policed pretty well. Show over.
 
The Russians have been considered a parish state, by the West I should add, since their invasion of Ukraine. Various US and UK politicians were very soon bandying about accusations of war crimes.
War crimes that seem very minor now and yet Israel's actions greeted by a deafening silence.
 
robbieh said:
The Russians have been considered a parish state, by the West I should add, since their invasion of Ukraine. Various US and UK politicians were very soon bandying about accusations of war crimes.
War crimes that seem very minor now and yet Israel's actions greeted by a deafening silence.
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Probably because they're not comparable with different historical, as well as recent, context.
 
argyle said:
Probably because they're not comparable with different historical, as well as recent, context.
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Mate a war crime is a war crime whoever commits it.
I'd be interested in the historical and recent context of which you speak.
 
robbieh said:
Mate a war crime is a war crime whoever commits it.
I'd be interested in the historical and recent context of which you speak.
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Russia invaded Ukraine on a false premise without provacation or justification.

Isreal entered Gaza because a terrorist network based there attacked and kidknapped civilians and took them back to Gaza.

I don't agree with blanket bombing and having no care for innocent people, but there is a big difference between the two.
 
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