Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

trueblue1972 said:
U.S. Confirms Hamas Command Center Under S. Confirms Hamas Command Center Under Hospital

A U.S. intelligence official confirmed that Israel's claim about a Hamas command and operations center located under the Al-Shifa Medical Center in Gaza City is accurate.

Additionally, it was noted that Hamas fighters frequently siphon off fuel intended for the hospital.

These fighters often assemble and operate around the hospital, using the facility and its patients as human shields.

Source: CNN
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Really assuring to see that US Intelligence have cast their infallible eye over proceedings.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Name a state that doesn’t.
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I think his point is, is it antisemitic or whatever the equivalent would be, to criticise any of these states?
Ironically I think the point he highlights proves what a lot are saying in here.
I don think it right to blame all Jewish people for the current Israeli government’s actions and I don’t think critics of their current policy is anti-Semitic precisely for that reason. Because I don’t blame Jewish people.
I don’t agree with a lot of Israeli people that support or turn a blind eye to a lot of policy in the West Bank and Gaza, however.

Criticism of any government of a state that does what they shouldn’t, should not be outlawed.

I think this is where the whole debate of all actions since the atrocity of the 7th is lost.
 
Postman Pep said:
I thought you had an objection to blindly repeating propaganda that's all :)
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I object to blatant bullshit propaganda that you post from X Twitter despite the fact that Ric requested that it stops.
This is a reputable source, and I have also seen videos that substantiante it.
I have shit loads of twitter posts that I could post , but I have no idea whether they are true or not even tho they seem to be

I hate what is happening to innocent palestians, just as much as I do what happened to the innocent people in Isreal, what I've never been able to understand is how little critism some ( other than say they are cunts lets move on and slate Isreal, understandably and qute rightly due to the heavy handed response. I apologise if hammas are shown to have less care about the palaestians they govern that even the IDF have is proven to be true upsets you
 
trueblue1972 said:
I object to blatant bullshit propaganda that you post from X Twitter despite the fact that Ric requested that it stops.
This is a reputable source, and I have also seen videos that substantiante it.
I have shit loads of twitter posts that I could post , but I have no idea whether they are true or not even tho they seem to be

I hate what is happening to innocent palestians, just as much as I do what happened to the innocent people in Isreal, what I've never been able to understand is how little critism some ( other than say they are cunts lets move on and slate Isreal, understandably and qute rightly due to the heavy handed response. I apologise if hammas are shown to have less care about the palaestians they govern that even the IDF have is proven to be true upsets you
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Hamas has to be removed.
Of that there is no doubt. I have expressed my doubts about Netanyahu’s intentions, but ideally I would like to see an international peace keeping force police the place while dialogue about a future for the region ensues.

But……. What do you believe is permissible in achieving the goal of getting rid of Hamas, should these reports be substantiated.
Does it justify the levelling of the hospitals and all the casualties that go with it.
Genuine question. I’m not judging your answer. Like I say, Hamas need eliminatIng and they don’t consider the Palestinian people either, but should there not be concern for the innocents involved. Do you want to be reduced to that level or worse?
 
trueblue1972 said:
This is a reputable source, and I have also seen videos that substantiante it.
I have shit loads of twitter posts that I could post , but I have no idea whether they are true or not even tho they seem to be
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Can't be arsed replying to the rest of your post but this bit doesn't make sense. If your sure and it's from a reputable source why not post it ?
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Hamas has to be removed.
Of that there is no doubt. I have expressed my doubts about Netanyahu’s intentions, but ideally I would like to see an international peace keeping force police the place while dialogue about a future for the region ensues.

But……. What do you believe is permissible in achieving the goal of getting rid of Hamas, should these reports be substantiated.
Does it justify the levelling of the hospitals and all the casualties that go with it.
Genuine question. I’m not judging your answer. Like I say, Hamas need eliminatIng and they don’t consider the Palestinian people either, but should there not be concern for the innocents involved. Do you want to be reduced to that level or worse?
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I've also said an independent peacekeeping force is needed after myself .
As for what's acceptable, I can't actually answer that I said myself that the response is extremely heavy handed ( although predictable) but at the same time, I have an understanding that they have to stop them and I don't realy know what else they can do , I'd love for there to be no innocemt Palestinians get hurt or die.
 
The blue phantom said:
www.reuters.com

Fact Check: Fake audio added to CNN video of Israel-Hamas war coverage

Footage showing CNN journalists taking shelter from rockets near the Israel-Gaza border has been altered to include a fabricated voiceover directing them to stage their coverage.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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Tim's has said that he's heard Bidens advisor say it now also , and like I said I substantiated it with other videos, sigh for someone that apparently doesn't like hammas you have an issue accepting what they do
 
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