Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

[BlueAnorak]

Are you sure you aren't confusing an understanding of why attacks like October 7th happen with downplaying the severity of (or, as you put it, Hamas's responsibility for) the attack?

I haven't seen anyone who hasn't condemned the attack.

A number of attempts have been made to downplay what happened or claim Israel was responsible for many of the deaths themselves. Or indeed to claim certain things didn't happen.
Admiditly a lot is simply reposting Twitter or other posts where the provinance of the original author just doesn't exist. But by reposting there is an implicet approval of the post.

 

[goalmole]

They have a moral compass. I'd been interested to know the numbers of atheist settlers. There are 500,000 settlers in the West Bank and 200,000 in east Jerusalem: how many of them are atheist?

If they are atheist then by what right are they allowed to emigrate and settle in Israel?

 

[Roachy]

At least you recognise now you have simplistic beliefs. That's progress.

And we're off.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Are you sure you aren't confusing an understanding of why attacks like October 7th happen

So we need to be understanding of those who murder, rape and kidnap do we?

Typical comment showing the moral depravity of the terrorist sympathisers and apologists in this thread, and why I largely stay out of it now. "Yeah we all condemn it but we understand why it happens".

It's a fucking moral cesspit.

 

[Roachy]

A belief without a rational foundation and knowledge is merely a prejudice.

There was another horrid situation that existed in Gaza before October 7th, and that was the incarceration and repression of a population of 2.3 million people in a small strip of land where the air, land and sea is controlled by a hostile power which also controls the food, water, fuel, power, medical supplies at a subsistence level. Where there is no opportunity to develop an economy, which has an unemployment rate of 40% with the available jobs paying barely enough survive on. There are people in Gaza who have never known what it is like to eat a full meal.
On top of all this the separation wall is an automated killing machine with remote cameras, sensors and guns. Where cameras and automated point directly a people's houses and roofs of houses waiting to detect movement before immediately opening fire.
On top of this again, the IDF regularly bombs the Strip in what they call "mowing the lawn", designed to degrade infrastructure and any development the residents of this concentration camp may have managed to build up since the last time the lawn was mowed.
No one can live under the conditions Israel imposes on the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.
The only surprising thing about this is that it took as long as it did for the Palestinians to rise up and fight back in anyway they could.


This conflict did not start on October 7th.
You really need to look a bit deeper at the occupation. There are hundreds of videos on YouTube, made by reputable journalists and news organisations that you need to look at and then come back hand on heart and tell us if you would be willing to live under those conditions without wanting to fight for your family, your house, your land and your people.

Well aware of the historical scenario in this region, and I've mentioned before that people will pick a specific timeframe to support their point of view. Just for clarity, is the "Palestinians rising up" part in relation to Oct 7th?

 

[BlueAnorak]

BBC News - Israel-Gaza: Protests against MPs cross a line, says Rachel Reeves

Israel-Gaza: Protests against MPs cross a line, says Rachel Reeves

The shadow chancellor says protesting outside the homes and offices of MPs is "intimidation".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ducado]

Are they mostly Jews who have always lived in the region, as opposed to those who immigrated from Europe? Or is that nothing to do with the settlers in the West Bank?

Lots of Americans apparently

 

[inchy14]

So we need to be understanding of those who murder, rape and kidnap do we?

Typical comment showing the moral depravity of the terrorist sympathisers and apologists in this thread, and why I largely stay out of it now. "Yeah we all condemn it but we understand why it happens".

It's a fucking moral cesspit.

And yet your silent when Palestinian children are imprisoned in Israeli jails without trial? Or when kids are shot in the head by IDF because they’re throwing stones, and that’s without discussing the land grabs and mass murder by Israel on a regular basis.

See here’s the issue, no one can support the Palestinians without being called terrorist sympathisers or Antisemites.


The hypocrisy is off this fucking scale.

 

[East Level 2]

There’s a bit more to it than that, you have look at the concept of martyrdom especially in radical Islam, each dead person is now a martyr to the cause

It's 2023. Do people still buy that shit?

 

[Ducado]

It's 2023. Do people still buy that shit?

Unfortunately they do

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

And yet your silent when Palestinian children are imprisoned in Israeli jails without trial? Or when kids are shot in the head by IDF because they’re throwing stones, and that’s without discussing the land grabs and mass murder by Israel on a regular basis.

See here’s the issue, no one can support the Palestinians without being called terrorist sympathisers or Antisemites.


The hypocrisy is off this fucking scale.

Yet no one has to be understanding of the only liberal democracy in the Middle East fighting a murderous bunch of psychopathic, intolerant, indoctrinated thugs.

As you say, the hypocrisy is indeed off the scale.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

The leadership of Israel are doing a great job of making everyone in the world hate them. Well done them. Fkin murdering idiots. When does this get called genocide?

 

[inchy14]

Yet no one has to be understanding of the only liberal democracy in the Middle East fighting a murderous bunch of psychopathic, intolerant, indoctrinated thugs.

As you say, the hypocrisy is indeed off the scale.

I think liberal is pushing it a stretch with what the rest of the world is witnessing.

It’s shameful and abhorrent.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Yet no one has to be understanding of the only liberal democracy in the Middle East fighting a murderous bunch of psychopathic, intolerant, indoctrinated thugs.

As you say, the hypocrisy is indeed off the scale.

Please tell me you are not enjoying the scenes Israel are now creating?

 

[Vic]

I'll wholeheartedly admit to being totally wrong if you can prove it.

Seriously? You really want someone to post evidence of settler land grabs? You can't just google "settler land grabs" or look at a map?

 

[Vic]

Yet no one has to be understanding of the only liberal democracy in the Middle East fighting a murderous bunch of psychopathic, intolerant, indoctrinated thugs.

Does that include Israel's minister for security in the West Bank who's got convictions for incitement to racism, destroying property, possessing a terror organisation’s propaganda material and supporting a terror organisation?

 

[bluethrunthru]

They are giving a press conf right now- they have found a tunnel but they have no evidence as to its use to present although the claim is its part of a command and control centre.

Thats like me holding a presser saying I have had a bottle of wine and own a car. Thats not proof I am a drink driver.

 

[Eebo]

Brutal takedown of the Evil Israeli regime, what a speech.

Powerful speech and her incredibly calm presentation amplifies the power of her words.

 

[BayernMan]

 

[Eebo]

Yet no one has to be understanding of the only liberal democracy in the Middle East fighting a murderous bunch of psychopathic, intolerant, indoctrinated thugs.

As you say, the hypocrisy is indeed off the scale.

It is when you want sympathy for war crimes and terrorist atrocities against Israel, but get upset and huffy when people have sympathy for the far greater number of victims of the Israeli states war crimes and atrocities.

I have heard nothing from you or any other supporter of Israel to suggest that you have any qualms about what the IDF is doing.

A democratic state should be held to higher standards than a terrorist organisation but it seems your side is doing nothing to convince people that the IDF is not an equally murderous bunch of indoctrinated and intolerant thugs,with the only difference being that they are considerably better armed than Hamas.

If I am wrong please explain why.