PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[I'm Blue]

People mentioning time barred with regards Spurs and us..
I thought under uk law it was 6 years, however for serious cases like fraud, it’s 6 years from the moment they found about said fraud.
Anyone know if that’s correct?
I read or heard that somewhere quite recently.

 

[Silva61]

Yeah that was a big missed opportunity from a footballing and moral perspective. Sadly at the end of the day our boys are no different from all the others and pay homage to the same god.

Isn't it the case though we were invited at the 11th hour so there was an element of panic and were the first to scupper it.
Wish we hadn't gone in, with hindsight and all that.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Re Linekar and Harris.

Yes it’s the media, so let’s not get uptight and according to some the owners know what they are doing (which may be right).

Still it’s a crying shame that on this podcast there isn’t a regular who perhaps played for City and could put the City fans view to someone whose only interested in slagging us off.

Lineker calls us Manchester City, Harris calls us Man City.

Enough said.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

If we’re innocent, have the evidence to prove it, but still get screwed over .. there is absolutely no doubt we’ll go nuclear

This is a multi billion pound asset built up over 15 years. Our owners, investors and lawyers ain’t gonna stand by and accept getting stitched up by tin pot amateurs like the PL

Eevry time I hear this phrase "go nuclear" I am reminded of a meeting I went to with my partner about 20 years ago. We were in a serious legal dispute with some guys who were trying to take control of the shares of our company. We were in this meeting with a solicitor at Eversheds, a serious big hitter, and were talking about something like if they decided to withdraw cash without our consent or similar.

Anyway my partner confidently stated "If they do that we'll throw the book at them" and this solictor just casually but pointedly asked "What book?". She had no response.

I think this "go nuclear" phrase is the same: baseless bluster. There is no "nuclear".

 

[Revolver]

Gary is often fair and one of the least bias media personalities. A certain section of our fan base does get incredibly uptight and precious over criticism. I mean on the FFP front I personally think we did bend the rules at the start but then I don’t give a shit about ffp so I’m not too arsed about the morality question. And if we get fined or relegated so be it… we’ll be back.

Probably fair comment about Linekar. But I think we are getting a little more than criticism. We are seeing an attempt to ruin us.

But I could be worrying unnecessarily and this coverage doesn’t harm us.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

It was done entirely for Mancini’s tax position. It made no difference to City as there was no ffp at the time and Mansour was funding us royally at the time. He could easily have covered an enormous salary for Mancini.
Ffp came in for the last year of that arrangement, iirc.
The charge appears simply to be that we did not report his salary correctly to the PL. Privity of contract might be the defence.

Yep - I've read the 50+ page PDF drop.
They issued a 2nd contract dated July 11 which was in the first year of FFP.
But all immaterial now anyway.

 

[Silva61]

People mentioning time barred with regards Spurs and us..
I thought under uk law it was 6 years, however for serious cases like fraud, it’s 6 years from the moment they found about said fraud.
Anyone know if that’s correct?
I read or heard that somewhere quite recently.

I believe it's 6 years in corporate law, which is where we are at the moment.

 

[mexico1970]

I used to really like Gary Linekar but I really went off on him today:



Sad day that someone who's an idol of mine is swayed by an instant financial expert just add water on Twitter!

People will say it's all Ok and that Lineker is fine, it really isn't and he isn't.

 

[mcfcphil]

Eevry time I hear this phrase "go nuclear" I am reminded of a meeting I went to with my partner about 20 years ago. We were in a serious legal dispute with some guys who were trying to take control of the shares of our company. We were in this meeting with a solicitor at Eversheds, a serious big hitter, and were talking about something like if they decided to withdraw cash without our consent or similar.

Anyway my partner confidently stated "If they do that we'll throw the book at them" and this solictor just casually but pointedly asked "What book?". She had no response.

I think this "go nuclear" phrase is the same: baseless bluster. There is no "nuclear".

There’s lots of hyperbole flying round which I agree doesn’t really reflect what happens during litigation in the real world.

However, some of the hyperbole has a root of truth in it. Obviously “going nuclear” isn’t a legal mechanism, but there absolutely are different tactics at client/legal rep disposal depending on the situation.

It will always be a balanced, considered approach based on facts / intended results, but if City got to the point where being ultra aggressive is the best course of action then they would absolutely do that.

But from my experience, aggressive approaches during initial litigation/dialogue don’t serve you too well when you actually get to the hearing.

 

[Keeper!]

Eevry time I hear this phrase "go nuclear" I am reminded of a meeting I went to with my partner about 20 years ago. We were in a serious legal dispute with some guys who were trying to take control of the shares of our company. We were in this meeting with a solicitor at Eversheds, a serious big hitter, and were talking about something like if they decided to withdraw cash without our consent or similar.

Anyway my partner confidently stated "If they do that we'll throw the book at them" and this solictor just casually but pointedly asked "What book?". She had no response.

I think this "go nuclear" phrase is the same: baseless bluster. There is no "nuclear".

"go nuclear" is usually a sign of someone messing up badly and trying to cover their tracks.

The pathetic incompetence to even correctly list the charges from the PL says a lot about their case.

 

[ancoats]

Do you think if they had something concrete on us? The book would not have been thrown at us by now.
Also, Manchester City could be about to complete the 5 main trophies in one year that nobody else has ever done before in England,

If the Manchester City ship was about to go down big time, You think the Rats would have jumped ship by now

 

[Blueknows]

Not picking on you but the idea that, if we breached the PL rules, then we "deserve" some form of punishment is one that I have seen fairly often on this thread and it rankles somewhat.

The whole princiiple and application of FFP is fraudulent, anti-competitive, introduced in bad faith and imposed on us without our agreement, so, from my perspective, nothing we could do to circumvent those rules would be "deserving" of punishment. If the charges are "proven", it simply means that a cartel of clubs have succeeded in stitching us up, not that we have done a single thing wrong. To the contrary, I would commend our board for the lengths they have gone to in order to compete and giving me the best 10 years of football I have ever witnessed.

All we are.guilty of is spending money to.compete , with the best owners the football world has ever seen

 

[the blue panther]

If 115 charges isn't having the book thrown at you, I don't know what is!

 

[eastmanc]

I'd like to believe Lineker and Shearer have accidentally overlooked the past history of the guest, which is easily done considering United and Liverpool fans lap up everything he says because he says what they want him to say.

Listeners would have benefitted a lot more from having @projectriver on, somebody who understands finance and law.

A judge has already dismissed Harris as an expert of those matters, so it makes so sense calling him the expert on the podcast.

When was this that Harris was dismissed by a judge? I didn't know that, although we all know that he is no financial expert. He's a lot of things but he knows next to nothing about City's case.

 

[JewelZee]

Just a couple of points:
Breaking FFP rules does not necessarily constitute fraudulent accounting.
If they took a negative view on Etisalat and Image rights I believe this could exceed Everton's £20M breach for which they received a ten point deduction.

Forget about it...

 

[ayrshire_blue]

When was this that Harris was dismissed by a judge? I didn't know that, although we all know that he is no financial expert. He's a lot of things but he knows next to nothing about City's case.

I mentioned CAS earlier but of course it was the Barry Bennell case.

Harris put himself forward as a ‘Football Finance Expert’ when providing evidence but the Judge ruled that he absolutely wasn't an "expert".

Someone please correct me if that's wrong.

 

[Pontypool Blue]

Well, it's certainly been a tidal wave of excitement across the various media channels in the past week, some pundits and former players of the 'Red Cartel' are like kids on Christmas Eve. The excitement has reached fever pitch on the basis that Everton have been docked 10 points.

FTFY:
More like a tidal wave of Excrement !

 

[Paladin]

I believe it's 6 years in corporate law, which is where we are at the moment.

There is no limitation in cases where fraud or concealment is involved.

Limitation Act 1980

An Act to consolidate the Limitation Acts 1939 to 1980.

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[MCFC1993]

When was this that Harris was dismissed by a judge? I didn't know that, although we all know that he is no financial expert. He's a lot of things but he knows next to nothing about City's case.

He wrote a document in the Barry Bennell case that he had to change to be factual rather than his professional opinion. As his opinion isn't considered expert.

 

[manimanc]

Manchester United fined €300,000 by Uefa for financial fair play breaches

Manchester United have been fined €300,000 (£257,000) by Uefa for financial fair play breaches over a four-year period between 2019 and 2022

www.theguardian.com

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Everton deducted 10 points by Premier League and face compensation bill

Everton have been docked 10 Premier League points, dropping them to second bottom, and could now have to pay compensation to Leeds, Leicester, Burnley and Southampton

www.theguardian.com

Anybody spot the difference?