PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[hammocity]

I personally have a lot more confidence in a group of KC's being honest and transparent than I do an independent regulator overseen by the government considering recent government scandals etc

We, (City as a club) are in favour of the Independent Regulator, it’s the other wankers that don’t want transparency, they want the stays quo of their influence over the PL to remain.

 

[slbsn]

The hacking story is such a non story. It is super historic, we ourselves settled for pennies, it went nowhere. It is done and dusted.

 

[HelloCity]

The hacking story is such a non story. It is super historic, we ourselves settled for pennies, it went nowhere. It is done and dusted.

It’s younger than some of our charges isn’t it?

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Amazing, we think it and it happens. Its like dreams come true in here.

 

[wolviedinho]

We should have gone to the police. It was a blatant criminal offence under the Computer Misuse Act 1990.

And it didn't stop with the settlement. They carried on spying on us for a few years. Tolmie knows this as well.

It’s no wonder they started buying better players over the last 7/8 seasons. Before the hack the bought in players like Cisse, diouf and salif diao. After the hacking they found Salah, Firmino, van dyk etc.

They have gained an unfair sporting advantage against us just like Arsenal and Arteta.

Sneaky , moneyball robbing twats.

 

[Mon Autre]

TBH City taking a payment from Liverpool in exchange for not pursuing the hacking complaint doesn't make me feel any better about anything. It just makes City complicit in a corrupt system. Clubs are taking a mutually assured destruction approach and sitting on evidence of wrongdoing rather than trying to clean up their act. Basically, elite football stinks and all elite clubs, not just City, are part of it.

 

[wolviedinho]

I've read so many comments from journalists, suggesting that City are all over them as soon as anything controversial or negative is written. But I don't think it's that simple.

The media are used to dealing with politicians and businesses complaining about what they write, and they've spent decades working out how to stay just the right side of the line. Quite rightly, they're also protected to some extent, because it's important that the press can uncover dodgy activity, and that means being able to publish even when there's legal pressure not to.

Just look at the Michelle Mone PPE scandal. That's a Tory scandal, involving hundreds of millions of pounds of Government money spent during Covid, the biggest crisis the country has faced in decades. The media continued to write about it, despite the many warning letters from lawyers, which contained point blank refusals that she or her husband had any involvement at all. Yet, finally the story has started to crack, and they've admitted involvement.

It's annoying for City fans, but there are far more important things going on in the world than our club's wranglings with the Premier League.

Is there? I don’t care about this Mone person. The country is full of corrupt people and the country is governed by corrupt people.

City being persecuted is more my concern. Fuck the rest.

 

[Paladin]

"Whataboutery" is not going to win this case.

Whataboutery has a part to play. It's another word for precedent. All lawyers look for precedents that could be applied in order to favour their clients.

 

[Ric]

The PL can't have it both ways. They can't investigate us for offences in 2009, and claim the Liverpool case of 2013/14 is time barred.

That’s not a PL decision, that’s just English Law I think. Time barred only doesn’t apply if there has been concealment, which is what the PL allege against us. That’s not the case the hacking, so presumably that would be timebarred.

 

[SWP's back]

The reports I have read, including claims here, were that an employee went there and used his old password that nobody at the City end bothered to change.

If that's true, it wasn't a 'hack' then. He maybe broke his contract clauses on conduct after leaving, and they exploited access that wasn't specifically granted, but does that really constitute a system breach?

If true at all, of course.

Which, if it is, is probably more likely why the club didn't pursue it much harder, rather than just being naively nice.

It’s still illegal under The Computer Misuse Act 1990.

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

The hacking story is such a non story. It is super historic, we ourselves settled for pennies, it went nowhere. It is done and dusted.

Why did we settle for pennies, Stefan? The Dippers wouldn’t have if the tables were turned.

 

[cheekybids]

The hacking story is such a non story. It is super historic, we ourselves settled for pennies, it went nowhere. It is done and dusted.

If only Masters couldn’t have talked like that about the Der Spiegel emails.

It’s done, UEFA investigated it, forget it.

 

[hammocity]

If all the club has to throw at Liverpool is the hacking affair that was settled 'out of court' between the two parties then everyone can forget about 'going nuclear' or 'shit storms' or whatever.

If we had any evidence of major wrongdoing by any rival club it would be out there already, either directly or via third parties. We have nothing of note.

£50m costs in a mythical new stadium?

 

[hammocity]

They seem to get an easy ride on how they created a fake stadium in Stanley park putting £50 million on their balance sheet which they got their collars felt for financial fair play from Uefa.

I don’t think they were questioned over that, they broke European FFP but weren’t in Europe the following season so got away with it. The stadium ruse was a different issue (I think).

 

[Mcfc1.9.8.0]

If city are bringing up that hacking story they’re starting to not pick and are getting desperate. I hope I’m wrong but it’s worrying times if true

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Surely illegal hacking and using that information for commercial gain is a very good example of deceit and concealment?

The Spurs/Defoe thing is more about why the FA or PL (whichever) knew about it but decided to do nothing given they punished another lesser club at the time for the same offence.

I think you're misinterpreting what can surely be considered a devious act to what constitutes concealment though. Whilst if they've done what is reported they've done it's undoubtedly breached computer misuse legislation, they aren't alleged to have deliberately lied about their accounts to disguise something as actually being something else.

They may sound similar on the face of it but the two situations are not comparable imo.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I think it would be very difficult to get the PL to revisit the hacking case, given that was settled between the clubs and is presumably time-barred anyway.

It was settled between the clubs, but the PL has the right to investigate any breach of the PL rules and apply a sporting sanction so the PL, not City, would be making a complaint against Liverpool. And on the SOL, I am reasonably sure I read that the first time this case was mentioned in the press was 2018 (sound familiar?), so doesn't concealment come into play? So 6 years from 2018?

All this may be bullshit, of course. :)

 

[bernard o'silver]

Come on that's his intelligent face.

Father Dougal of Craggy Island?

 

[wolviedinho]

Correct! Literally sacked someone for the same thing about 18 months ago.

Comprised of three sections, the legislation states that it is illegal to:

• Access data stored on a computer without permission
• Gain unauthorised access to data on a computer, with the intention of using that data to commit illegal activity
• Make changes to any data stored on a computer without permission (eg. installing a virus/malware)

Did they try and steal your bluemoon password?

I thought you had changed it from Tolmie1234 when he moved to Twitter? -:)

 

[Metalartin]

We know the PL wont investigate Spurs, Liverpool or United even if there are legitimate grounds to do so. I think that is the point some of us are driving at(and maybe City are too if it is true they've been apply pressure). Haven't they been using the same tactics to take shots at City over Everton's case for the past 5 days or so?

It should raise questions on the PL's integrity/competency if there is case to claim double standards/special treatment though. That isn't whataboutery... It's whatthefuck PL?