PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Prestwich_Blue said:
What was time-barred was any transactions that appeared in the accounts in 2011/12 & 2012/13.

The Etihad payments that CAS examined covered 2012/13, 2013/14 and 2015/16. So that first period was time-barred but that's completely irrelevant as CAS were clear that:
  1. Etihad had met its obligation under the contract.
  2. There was no problem with it being fair value.
  3. Etihad had full value from the sponsorship.
  4. ADUG did not provide any of the funds to Etihad.
Payments made in 2012/13 made absolutely no difference to that.

Etisalat was the other, and that covered both of the time-barred years. However CAS covered it fully as ADUG seemingly made the original payment but got the money back from Etisalat in 2014/2015, which wasn't outside the allowable timescale.

Again, both CAS and even UEFA were happy that there was no issue with the Etisalat contract. Etisalat had met their obligations and received fair value for that sponsorship.

Time-barring had zero impact on the outcome of the CAS case. None.
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Thanks.

I had took it from comments here and the CAS report page 55, item 196-197, that the Etisalat disguised equity allegations were all time barred and not judged on. I actually thought UEFA and City didn't present anything as a result of that for a long while but I realise now that information was presented from both sides and even testimony from someone at Etisalat. On item 196 they say the payments were received June 2012 and January 2013(the timebarred years as you say... everything before 2014 right?) and reported in the financial statements of the year ended May 2013. Just reading it again, it says references to such information submitted to UEFA in subsequent years is time barred as well. I suppose the payment in 2014/15 was a new payment and not reference to the old ones though.

Page 88 item 324 summarizes both the Etisalat and Etihad stuff nicely too:
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That says to me, even the time-barred Etihad allegations were going to get overturned had they been required to make a decision on them.

It can get a bit confusing for someone who hasn't studied law but to be honest it's surprising to me how much I do understand vs a few years ago. Having to read up on laws and finance side of it because of all the armchair experts wearing red shirts insisting City were bang to rights has probably had the same effect on a fair few City fans.
 
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Bantamgaz said:
The only thing you lot have done wrong is being successful and this is the real heart of the matter.
Had you done nothing and not done a thing then i doubt this stuff would have happened.
just pray to god you aint because that would be a massive blow to the media and the gloryhunting cunts they creep up to
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The press, if proved wrong will never admit it. I expect they will say we got away with by not co-operating.
I am in correspondence with The Times on this subject. They still bill themselves as a paper of record and should get or put things right. One example I gave them was Henry Winter getting the rules for time barring wrong and suggesting the time barring was due to our delay. CAS said UEFA got their own rules wrong and the time barring pre dated the laying of charges. Winter refuses to accept this.
 
Gordyola said:
If relegated as a result of a points deduction we go down to the EPL there is no mechanism to relegate a club It is also very dubious as to the punishment as there is no guidelines as to what the commission can apply, some will say anything but I somewhat doubt it would stand up in law.

There is a misconception of what the Super League is, well at least what the last proposal was. The proposal was for a replacement for the UCL to be managed by the clubs as they didnt want UEFA to be taking a sizeable chunk of the revenue There is an outstanding court case that will determine if UEFA have sole rights on a UCL type competition the SL clubs are arguing that as a governing body they don't have the rights to run a competition that raises revenue from sponsors and advertisers that are in competition with the clubs for
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JewelZee said:
I'm no great fan of either, but those "only 2 teams left" are Real Madrid and Barcelona. If you think a triumvirate of those 2 clubs and City would not cause major concern to both the Prem and UEFA you are more confused than I originally thought.
It won't come to that because as I said we're never going to be relegated or play in any lower tier league. You can call me arrogant but I'm not going to shit my pants in the face of some charges being levied at us by a league serving the interests of a few selfish, self-serving clubs...
They can go fuck right off...CADED23
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The insane act of self destruction by the PL has already happened.

It happened the moment they decided to hit us with 115 charges.

If they didn’t want to self destruct they don’t charge us. It’s that simple.

If we are found guilty we are fucked - and the PL will have to deal with almost every club in the league over the 10 year period having some sort of financial claim against us.

I admire your optimism - but the case can’t be stopped now and I doubt the PL nor any clubs will have any influence in the outcome.
 
Prophet of Doom said:
The insane act of self destruction by the PL has already happened.

It happened the moment they decided to hit us with 115 charges.

If they didn’t want to self destruct they don’t charge us. It’s that simple.

If we are found guilty we are fucked - and the PL will have to deal with almost every club in the league over the 10 year period having some sort of financial claim against us.

I admire your optimism - but the case can’t be stopped now and I doubt the PL nor any clubs will have any influence in the outcome.
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dont hear me wrong, are you saying the PL cant pull the plug on the charges at any time
 
Its the number 115 which getting the media creaming their pants , which when broken down are five or six charges repeated on an annual basis , so we beat six charges in every season the 115 charges go away , the idiot red 'istree fans who only read the headlines in the Sun & Mail just presume we are bound to fail some of the 115 charges.
It only confirms how we have damaged the Rags & Dippers their only hope of overtaking our club is off the field of play and begging UEFA & the Premier league to clip our wings. Well we f*cked UEFA off and if we do the same to the Premier league it will mortify our accusers , they will have nowhere to go , unless they blame us for killing Bambi :)
 
marco said:
dont hear me wrong, are you saying the PL cant pull the plug on the charges at any time
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I've been thinking about this. Surely the PL as the Claimant has the right to withdraw the case against us as they would just not send their legal team if not.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I've been thinking about this. Surely the PL as the Claimant has the right to withdraw the case against us as they would just not send their legal team if not.
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in Normal uk law then yes you could pull the case 1 minute before it gets in court, the PL i dont know they seem to have some crazy rules however i would think they could withdraw charges at any moment prior to hearing
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I've been thinking about this. Surely the PL as the Claimant has the right to withdraw the case against us as they would just not send their legal team if not.
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They can withdraw the charges but they wont.

The PL knew exactly what the consequences were when they charged City, too late for them to have second thoughts now.

Can you imagine the public outcry of corruption if they withdrew the charges before the hearing.

Whether it be political pressure and the PL shitting it, the time for anything to happen was before the charges. Too late now.
 
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