Blue Moon Playlist Review Club - Season 2 - Episode 32 - threespires - Could have been a Contender (pg 472)

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Ship of Fools - World Party, Anthony Thistlewaite

(yikes, I see this now made the 80's theme back in April [sorry, before my time here], so if we don't do repeats, I'll pick something else). Still love this one.

If no repeats, I'll choose another ship themed one from my childhood:

Ride Captain Ride - Blues Image
 
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This post has got me thinking about the whole question of the continued role of the album. Received wisdom was that with the advent of streaming music we would go full circle; popular music started with just single songs, transitioned to the concept of the album but would now return to single song output and albums would become what they first were, in effect 'playlists' of singles. I'm not sure what the numbers say but I assume the number of albums bought continues to decline? Nonetheless it seems to be enduring as a form which in some ways is surprising and makes me wonder all sorts of things...
Do labels still demand albums of artists?
Why do bands go through the emotional labour of writing an album when recording and distribution economics suggest it's not necessary?
Are they still needed to market/promote a tour?
Are you not a proper artist/lightweight if you can't hack creating a 'proper' album?
Given most listeners cherry pick from albums, what's the point of creating 'filler' these days?
Should albums be created in an 'agile' fashion, put out a song or two get some feedback and then do some more ? Obviously there will always be a place for the concept album, but even there why not release in episodes a bit like Dickens did with his novels?
It strikes me that artistically there will always be a place for the album, and not just concept albums. Crawler by Idles that Coatigan alluded to earlier is ultimately just a collection songs could you not just collect them individually and stick them in an individual playlist (just like the first 'albums' which were interconnected blank sleeves to put a collection of songs in - the musical equivalent of a photo album) ? I think the answer is no, even though it's not a concept album there is merit in the songs being released together, there is a coherency to them that transcends the individual songs and you have to spend time with it to appreciate it. It demands more from the listener but I don't think that's a bad thing.

I was with you, till you got to Crawler. I disagree there. Ultra Mono, absolutely, that's exactly what it was, a collection of songs done over covid, grouped together. But Crawler is a proper album, with a theme, a beginning a middle and an end. It is thought out to minute detail, mood cycle, the order of the songs, transitions, and flows well and tell a story. It is excellent, as an album.

On your wider point though, very interesting, I'll come back to that with a bit more time.
 
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Back to back!

Ship of Fools - World Party, Anthony Thistlewaite

(yikes, I see this now made the 80's theme back in April [sorry, before my time here], so if we don't do repeats, I'll pick something else). Still love this one.

If no repeats, I'll choose another ship themed one from my childhood:

Ride Captain Ride - Blues Image

As there is a chronic shortage of bicycle nominations in this theme I was going to suggest "The Pushbike Song" by The Mixtures but figured I would have lost any credibility I may have on this forum!
 
Carl Perkins' Cadillac...Drive By Truckers.
If someone would have told me there was a group of people that are mostly City fans and have some big DBT/Isbell fans, I would have said no friggen' way, that can't exist.

One reason I say this is because these groups still mostly play some of the smaller venues in the US, not that I'm complaining there, as those shows are by far better than arenas or larger outdoor venues (RHCP, Foo, KOL, etc.).

So glad I was wrong or didn't take any such bet! Other musical groups haven't surprised me, but this by far has. Y'all rock!
 
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I was with you, till you got to Crawler. I disagree there. Ultra Mono, absolutely, that's exactly what it was, a collection of songs done over covid, grouped together. But Crawler is a proper album, with a theme, a beginning a middle and an end. It is thought out to minute detail, mood cycle, the order of the songs, transitions, and flows well and tell a story. It is excellent, as an album.

On your wider point though, very interesting, I'll come back to that with a bit more time.

Not sure we do disagree, I just can't articulate myself properly. The bit about a collection of songs was supposed to be a rhetorical question to which my answer in the next sentence was No, but reading it back it's johnsonesque wordsoup. What I then referred to as it's coherency you have broken down much more clearly and precisely and I would agree with it. My whole reason for referencing Crawler in the first place, after you had mentioned it, was it illustrates there is still huge merit in an album as an album. It's like when I'm 25 yards out and the ball pops up nicely, my brain knows what it's trying to do, the rest of me just doesn't fall in line :-)
 
As there is a chronic shortage of bicycle nominations in this theme I was going to suggest "The Pushbike Song" by The Mixtures but figured I would have lost any credibility I may have on this forum!

I loved wobbling my head to that song when I was little, got beat to number one by some hippy shit from George Harrison :-)
 
If someone would have told me there was a group of people that are mostly City fans and have some big DBT/Isbell fans, I would have said no friggen' way, that can't exist.

One reason I say this is because these groups still mostly play some of the smaller venues in the US, not that I'm complaining there, as those shows are by far better than arenas or larger outdoor venues (RHCP, Foo, KOL, etc.).

So glad I was wrong or didn't take any such bet! Other musical groups haven't surprised me, but this by far has. Y'all rock!

Since I was introduced to DBT via this forum I have been keeping an eye out on where they tour and as far as I can tell they can barely be arsed to leave Athens! Looks like they 'did' Europe sometime 2005/06. They need to take their own advice and get their ass on the plane (in fairness looks like they're doing a handful of dates in Oz, maybe they've got family there).
 
Since I was introduced to DBT via this forum I have been keeping an eye out on where they tour and as far as I can tell they can barely be arsed to leave Athens! Looks like they 'did' Europe sometime 2005/06. They need to take their own advice and get their ass on the plane (in fairness looks like they're doing a handful of dates in Oz, maybe they've got family there).
They have toured loads of times in the UK pre covid.
I have seen them live 4 times.
 
They have toured loads of times in the UK pre covid.
I have seen them live 4 times.

Oh right, maybe their tour history isn't comprehensive or maybe I just can't read. I'd like to see them at some point, I imagine they put on a really good show?
 
This post has got me thinking about the whole question of the continued role of the album. Received wisdom was that with the advent of streaming music we would go full circle; popular music started with just single songs, transitioned to the concept of the album but would now return to single song output and albums would become what they first were, in effect 'playlists' of singles. I'm not sure what the numbers say but I assume the number of albums bought continues to decline? Nonetheless it seems to be enduring as a form which in some ways is surprising and makes me wonder all sorts of things...
Do labels still demand albums of artists?
Why do bands go through the emotional labour of writing an album when recording and distribution economics suggest it's not necessary?
Are they still needed to market/promote a tour?
Are you not a proper artist/lightweight if you can't hack creating a 'proper' album?
Given most listeners cherry pick from albums, what's the point of creating 'filler' these days?
Should albums be created in an 'agile' fashion, put out a song or two get some feedback and then do some more ? Obviously there will always be a place for the concept album, but even there why not release in episodes a bit like Dickens did with his novels?
It strikes me that artistically there will always be a place for the album, and not just concept albums. Crawler by Idles that Coatigan alluded to earlier is ultimately just a collection songs could you not just collect them individually and stick them in an individual playlist (just like the first 'albums' which were interconnected blank sleeves to put a collection of songs in - the musical equivalent of a photo album) ? I think the answer is no, even though it's not a concept album there is merit in the songs being released together, there is a coherency to them that transcends the individual songs and you have to spend time with it to appreciate it. It demands more from the listener but I don't think that's a bad thing.

It is a very interesting discussion, and something I have been twerking with myself since more or less covid.

It is probably a two fold issue, what an album vs song or songs is to us as listeners, and what it is to artists. Taking the second one first. How much money can they make out of individual songs, how sustainable is it, how and when do they tour, what is their cycle, can they try different things etc. I imagine just writing songs and releasing them as they are done is both demanding and somewhat 'employment-like'. As opposed to having a set period of creative focus, releasing it, touring with it, getting the money off it, and then who knows. Maybe a break till the next one, maybe trying something else with others, maybe start working on the next one. Also has that conveying going through whatever they happen to be going through as a phase and an album sometimes documenting that. Individual songs I don't think have that, if you have to put them together yourself.

From a listening point of view, there has definitely been a shift towards more frequent songs (maybe to stay relevant), and even when there is an album coming out, feels like half of it has been released as songs by the time it is out. I struggle with that, myself. I have been avoiding it, sonthat by the time the album is out, I can listen to it all, and not feel like I'm skipping through what I've heard and not really fussed about what is left. I personally think that is pushed by the streaming platforms more than the artists, to ensure subscribers remain interested. It imo dilutes the interaction with music, which is already arguably suffering from the ease of skipping and the more at a glance culture we have slowly turned to.

I don't often listen to entire albums in a sitting. But I prefer them tere in that format, to collections of songs. I get why bands breaking through would do it, but must also come with a risk of having to rush songs to stay relevant, as opposed to taking the time till an album is ready.

What say the lables and contracts have in that, I have no idea.
 
Oh right, maybe their tour history isn't comprehensive or maybe I just can't read. I'd like to see them at some point, I imagine they put on a really good show?

Yeah, they do! Saw them in 2022 and can't wait to see them again. Front row certainly helped too....

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Oh right, maybe their tour history isn't comprehensive or maybe I just can't read. I'd like to see them at some point, I imagine they put on a really good show?
Some great live recordings on Spotify.
Search Mike Cooley and there is a great Cooley,Hood and Isbell unplugged type concert.
Another site with loads of concerts.Ryan Adams well worth a listen as well.
 
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