PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

gordondaviesmoustache said:
You are entitled to your opinion, and of course it’s perfectly possible you are right, but I’ve based my view on a combination of what we have before us evidentially and the absence of any leaks; the parties involved; the likelihood that the club committed fraud on this scale and for such an extended period, especially given the involvement of auditors; the putative absence of any whistleblowers to corroborate the allegations; the protagonists behind the scene - the power they wield, plus their tack record and motives; the pace at which matters have progressed; the noises coming via backchannels from the club; the continued trajectory of players coming to the club, further sponsorship from high profile investors and accelerated infrastructure investment; the previous UEFA charges (and their complete lack of substance) and the fact that Richard Masters is a **** - and concluded that this is the most likely explanation

Not saying it’s nailed on, but fwiw, I’m confident I’m likely to be correct.

I think the fact you believe there is some substance to these allegations based solely on the fact of the charges themselves is exactly what the PL (or rather those that have pressured them) want. As others have said before me, the punishment is the charges. And if a City fan thinks what you think, then it’s clearly working.
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Do you believe the PL categorically know they have absolutely nothing, but are going along with it anyway, knowing fine well they will fail?
 
Coatigan said:
Do you believe the PL categorically know they have absolutely nothing, but are going along with it anyway, knowing fine well they will fail?
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I see your point and surely if that was the case, the PL board wouldn't have alleged anything knowing they were throwing money down the toilet.
 
Bez said:
I am not a lawyer, but my take on the PL issuing 115 charges against us is because we have quite rightly deflected all their attempts to bully us into handing over information they are not entitled to have. Our lawyers will have been very clear. If you come after City it will be a bumpy ride. Defend every point and use every process available because this is a witch hunt. Ickle City should do as they are told, but we are not Ickle City anymore. We've been to the gym. We are streetwise. We will only give you what we need to give you. So, the PL have got very frustrated. They've no doubt also had some clubs of an antique variety trying to bend their ear. In short, the 115 charges is a great big fuck you to City. City will fight the charges very hard. Tooth and nail. As the song goes, 'City, Manchester City. We are the lads who are playing to win'. If the tribunal have no new information apart from the hacked Der Spiegel stuff we will be cleared. It's going to be a long wait. I'll put the kettle on.
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I agree with much if that. Except that the 115 charges aren't, imho, a big fuck you to City, they are the inevitable conclusion to City's big fuck you to the PL.

I really think City have this process completely under control.
 
Coatigan said:
Do you believe the PL categorically know they have absolutely nothing, but are going along with it anyway, knowing fine well they will fail?
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I think mate you have to see "the PL" as really just a very small group of the most powerful clubs, fronted by that **** Masters who got the job because he "passed the interview" with united/liverpool (ie he'll do their bidding) after others walked away. Those clubs are seeing their historic achievements being surpassed and eclipsed by an unstoppable, relentless City. We are erasing them from the record books. Diminishing City's achievements and trashing its reputation keeps them "up there" - there is no "fail" for them, irrespective of the panel outcome because City have been damaged. The tide is turning though and recent votes in the PL have not gone their way.
Also the PL, having laid their charges (in the most damaging way possible), are able to "wash their hands of it" by putting it in the hands of an independent tribunal. Whatever the outcome, there is no "fail"
 
Coatigan said:
Do you believe the PL categorically know they have absolutely nothing, but are going along with it anyway, knowing fine well they will fail?
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I believe that IF they had the evidence to back up what we are charged with then this would be a criminal investigation involving the police and the fca not an independent panel
 
mcfcphil said:
It depends what the motivation is.

If the motivation is to charge and punish City for financial breaches then you’re right, it’s inconceivable they would do this without a substantial level of evidence / justification.

If the motivation is to cause reputation damage to City at the behest of other parties then it becomes quite conceivable they would lay the charges without substantial evidence / justification.
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Certain quarters probably expected Pep to leave under the caused uncertainty and pressure. But he's a Catalan and is energised by the fight against what City feel is unjust treatment from the 'old' [1977 to 2012] powers.
 
Coatigan said:
Do you believe the PL categorically know they have absolutely nothing, but are going along with it anyway, knowing fine well they will fail?
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I believe the PL know they haven't seen any external evidence to counter the allegations (such evidence not existing in City's books). I also believe they know from CAS that such external evidence exists, and they (with the usual suspects) got impatient (even after changing the rules to require best efforts to obtain external evidence, which City ignored) and went ahead with the charges on that basis.

I suspect the club would have preferred them to drop the case for lack of evidence, but are happy to present their evidence to the panel at great expense to the PL.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I agree with much if that. Except that the 115 charges aren't, imho, a big fuck you to City, they are the inevitable conclusion to City's big fuck you to the PL.

I really think City have this process completely under control.
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I like that. Perhaps in the summing up KC Rosen will confirm who said 'fuck you' first.
 
Bez said:
I am not a lawyer, but my take on the PL issuing 115 charges against us is because we have quite rightly deflected all their attempts to bully us into handing over information they are not entitled to have. Our lawyers will have been very clear. If you come after City it will be a bumpy ride. Defend every point and use every process available because this is a witch hunt. Ickle City should do as they are told, but we are not Ickle City anymore. We've been to the gym. We are streetwise. We will only give you what we need to give you. So, the PL have got very frustrated. They've no doubt also had some clubs of an antique variety trying to bend their ear. In short, the 115 charges is a great big fuck you to City. City will fight the charges very hard. Tooth and nail. As the song goes, 'City, Manchester City. We are the lads who are playing to win'. If the tribunal have no new information apart from the hacked Der Spiegel stuff we will be cleared. It's going to be a long wait. I'll put the kettle on.
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I’ve said a few times before, out of about 30 clubs in the Premier League during the seasons we’ve been charged it’s impossible for all the other clubs to be totally innocent, just 100% impossible.
 
bluemonkey71 said:
I see your point and surely if that was the case, the PL board wouldn't have alleged anything knowing they were throwing money down the toilet.
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The question has to be asked, as with other cases, when the charges came out there was no punishment with them? If they had evidence, they’d have done the same as they did with Everton.
 
Gundoggin said:
Is there a possibility MCFC will bankrupt the PL if there is no case to answer ? After all the reputational damage caused by the red cartel media , Gill and Parry and co surely MCFC will be seeking substantial compensation costs ?
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No. The PL is just following procedure.

Edit: Sorry, I should have said imho.
 
Gundoggin said:
Is there a possibility MCFC will bankrupt the PL if there is no case to answer ? After all the reputational damage caused by the red cartel media , Gill and Parry and co surely MCFC will be seeking substantial compensation costs ?
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That won’t happen. It doesn’t work that way. If City get a favourable outcome everyone goes home.
 
Gundoggin said:
Is there a possibility MCFC will bankrupt the PL if there is no case to answer ? After all the reputational damage caused by the red cartel media , Gill and Parry and co surely MCFC will be seeking substantial compensation costs ?
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Whilst us as city fans feel the digs, snidey comments, bias reporting and even I'd suggest , legitimising of hating mcfc to the point of validating violence, the issue with us seeking any thing for damages to our reputation, possible losses or growth, is simply this....

What have they actually prevented us for doing? We've still won record amounts of silverware, the numbers show we've grown to be one of, if not the, biggest brand in the world, and we have a strong and steady plan for the future which means we will be ok and competitive regardless.

In that respect, our detractors could never win but it does mean that we would have a hard time convincing anyone that we've lost out when we're sat on a pile of silverware and profit.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
You are entitled to your opinion, and of course it’s perfectly possible you are right, but I’ve based my view on a combination of what we have before us evidentially and the absence of any leaks; the parties involved; the likelihood that the club committed fraud on this scale and for such an extended period, especially given the involvement of auditors; the putative absence of any whistleblowers to corroborate the allegations; the protagonists behind the scene - the power they wield, plus their tack record and motives; the pace at which matters have progressed; the noises coming via backchannels from the club; the continued trajectory of players coming to the club, further sponsorship from high profile investors and accelerated infrastructure investment; the previous UEFA charges (and their complete lack of substance) and the fact that Richard Masters is a **** - and concluded that this is the most likely explanation

Not saying it’s nailed on, but fwiw, I’m confident I’m likely to be correct.

I think the fact you believe there is some substance to these allegations based solely on the fact of the charges themselves is exactly what the PL (or rather those that have pressured them) want. As others have said before me, the punishment is the charges. And if a City fan thinks what you think, then it’s clearly working.
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I love this post mate. It genuinely made me see the wood for the trees a bit better.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
The question has to be asked, as with other cases, when the charges came out there was no punishment with them? If they had evidence, they’d have done the same as they did with Everton.
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What was the time period from the findings to handing out the punishment to Everton
 
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