Mr Bates vs the Post Office

[dickie davies]

Watching Zahawi was so funny because he is normally the bumbling idiot stammering and bullshitting in the face of the simplest question and defending the indefensible.

It was like a fantasy performance for him, where for once he got to be the person asking the incisive questions and seeming in charge, instead of his normal blithering incompetence as the subject of interviews

I would love to see the clip of him at at the actual hearing to see if he was really as strong on the questioning as he is made out to be in the drama. I did find some of the transcript of what he said and it seems like he may have been good on this.

You can hear a recording of it on the podcast (episode seven or eight)
It's repeated exactly in the drama

 

[Eccles Blue]

I see she’s given her ‘gong’ back! Not her bonuses just the CBE!

 

[normskih]

Setting any party politics aside, I think the ex-Tory MP Arbuthnot comes out of this affair very well as does Zahawi but Ed Davey not so much !

Lord Arbuthnot played a pivotal part in helping some of the sub-postmasters.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Watching Zahawi was so funny because he is normally the bumbling idiot stammering and bullshitting in the face of the simplest question and defending the indefensible.

It was like a fantasy performance for him, where for once he got to be the person asking the incisive questions and seeming in charge, instead of his normal blithering incompetence as the subject of interviews

I would love to see the clip of him at at the actual hearing to see if he was really as strong on the questioning as he is made out to be in the drama. I did find some of the transcript of what he said and it seems like he may have been good on this.

He was mate, I’ve seen it. There’s an hour long documentary with the real people telling their stories (iPlayer ?). Worth a watch.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Interesting points made at the end and goes to the heart of why these poor people weren’t ever going to get justice without this programme being made.

’Complicit’, the stand-out word in this case.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Didn't know a thing about it until my sister mentioned the programme.

How a scandal as big as this has been swept under the carpet all these years is staggering. Either that or I've been living under a rock.

This rock........

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Good, I don’t rate the guy at all and have always been amazed that he achieved high office but credit to him if he is going to support the right side in this.

This should not be a party political issue, it is a matter of correcting a huge miscarriage of justice and a matter of basic humanity.

I think it's one of the things that means that something will happen quickly - people from all sides are furious and solidly together.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Just watching the hour documentary with the real people. I know the drama brought it to the fore but the documentary really does bring it to life.

 

[TShed]

Normally when a Company outsources an activity, the responsibility and accountability still stays with them. As BP found out with the big oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. There may be grounds for the PO to take action against Fujitsu but they would be working strictly to the instructions of the Post Office and the recourse of the postmasters would be against the PO.

Spot on. You don’t outsource your business to an IT company: just the IT. Believe me Fujitsu have delivered far worse products and service than the Horizon hardware and software albeit this too was a bag of shite from day 1. The PO had service penalties built into the contract and no doubt recouped loads off Fujitsu every month end for crap service, they could and should have put FJ in breach of contract and fucked them off. I fukin hate FJ but they would have been compromised and unable to comment albeit they get their chance next week which will be interesting. If they’d come out during the debacle then they would have compromised their position as a major govt supplier a bit like the NHS debacle where they had to right off £400m or lose any chance of renewals of big contracts with HMRC and the likes or win new govt business

 

[BlueAnorak]

Its not often that my job title hits the front page of the Telegraph.

Architect of postal scandal demands immunity

"The architect of the faulty Horizon IT system, (Gareth Jenkins) who gave evidence used to convict sub-postmasters, has demanded immunity before agreeing to appear at the public inquiry."

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Its not often that my job title hits the front page of the Telegraph.

Architect of postal scandal demands immunity

"The architect of the faulty Horizon IT system, (Gareth Jenkins) who gave evidence used to convict sub-postmasters, has demanded immunity before agreeing to appear at the public inquiry."

Fucking lowlife.

 

[mancboy]

i think the bigger scandal than this is the light it shines on society and how we are now governed by the media, there is so much of this shit going on and people just dont care about it until it hits the tv or youtube and people are tried by the court of public opinion rather than the law.

 

[Blue Mist]

Its not often that my job title hits the front page of the Telegraph.

Architect of postal scandal demands immunity

"The architect of the faulty Horizon IT system, (Gareth Jenkins) who gave evidence used to convict sub-postmasters, has demanded immunity before agreeing to appear at the public inquiry."

Before posters read the headline and condemn him, read the whole article. Twice he was about to give evidence and twice the Post Office dumped thousands of documents on him and the hearing the day before. It has been acknowledged that the PO did this to stop him giving evidence. He is a lying bastard but the PO are beyond words. Sack every boss and start again.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

BBC have devoted an hour of the Breakfast show to some of the accused/convicted, with them in the studio.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I always thought "raisin' awareness" was such a patronising self-serving comment.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Amazing how fast the government are acting on this, is almost as if they need it out of the public mind because there’s a General Election coming along.

Great to see, but begs the question of why it hasn’t been taken seriously prior to the programme being aired?

 

[Stephen230]

Watched it over the last two nights. Thought it was about two hours too long. Was bored by the third episode.

Probably would have been better condensing it into one extended episode.

 

[mancboy]

Amazing how fast the government are acting on this, is almost as if they need it out of the public mind because there’s a General Election coming along.

Great to see, but begs the question of why it hasn’t been taken seriously prior to the programme being aired?

because as i stated earlier we are now governed by the court of public opinion, truth, justice, facts no longer matter all that matters is if you can get it out into consciousness of the public and appear sympathetic.

This has been going on for ten years and only a small few, gave a crap but now its on tv everyone is treating it like its new information and something has to be done, something had to be done when people were committing suicide and losing their homes but it wasnt on tv then so nevermind eh

 

[Blue Maverick]

Watched it over the last two nights. Thought it was about two hours too long. Was bored by the third episode.

Probably would have been better condensing it into one extended episode.

Don’t see how, you needed all those stories to show the impact, that poor Asian lady who had electric shock therapy! My wife said she was on tv the other morning and she is fucked, she deserves millions in compensation for what’s happened to her.